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Relliving-The-Past

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:20 pm


Today in science we were talking of how cell phones can cause brain cancer, and or testichular cancer within guys. And our teacher had some pretty good evidence to prove it as well.
proof #1
Electromagnetic waves destroy single celled organisms as well as protein and DNA atoms within the cell, causing severe damage if constantly in contact with these waves.

proof #2
Electromagnetic waves are used by the radars American cops used to use to tell how fast an car was using, the patrol officer would set it in there lap, causing the waves to hit there testichles for however long they had it setting there, and was causing cancer. The Inurance agency sent out men wondering why there were so many claims in this particular claim, and watched the cops in an everage day. The relaised the cops set the radars on their lap, realising, (already said) the electromagnetic waves to hit there testichles, killing the dna and protein,causing cancer.

So if the same thing that would happen to the brain cells, would that also cause cancer within the brain as it did these patrol officers?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:06 pm


I really can't say I'm surprised. This day and age everything causes cancer. I remember watching on the news a couple of years back some scientist saying that drinking milk excessively could cause cancer

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Tailos-teichou

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:43 pm


From what i've been taught so far in my medical course, and that I can remember without getting out my books -- forgive my lacking proof right now, i'll get some ASAP if I can find internet journals if you guys want me to -- cancer is predominantly caused by mutations in the base DNA pairing.

From now on, this is what I can remember. I don't claim to be exactly correct, but I think i've got the main points covered. It's a lot more complex, though.

A-T, C-G pairing in the double helix is set to a specific pattern for code recognition, allowing for further cell replication later via mitosis/meiosis and RNA. The base pair double-helix needs to be exact, otherwise mutations occur and can drastically affect this new cell.

A cancerous cell is created when one of the base pairs isn't copied correctly by the DNA-transcriptase enzyme, and a faulty mRNA copy is sent out for the new cell's creation. When this new cell is formed, the faulty DNA allows for problems in the body; proteins will not be correctly made by the cell, meaning that the surface protein receptor on that cell may not function. Ergo, the cell will not receive signals to stop asexual reproduction and therefore you'll get a buildup of cancer cells and, eventually, a tumour.

Anything that can destroy or tamper with the DNA base coding sequence can therefore cause cancer. Electromagnetic waves, microwaves, gamma waves, x-rays, the works. The same thing, I believe, works with the brain cells.

You might also want to go take a little research into 'Prions' for more information on brain protein deformation.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:05 pm


Tailos
From what i've been taught so far in my medical course, and that I can remember without getting out my books -- forgive my lacking proof right now, i'll get some ASAP if I can find internet journals if you guys want me to -- cancer is predominantly caused by mutations in the base DNA pairing.

From now on, this is what I can remember. I don't claim to be exactly correct, but I think i've got the main points covered. It's a lot more complex, though.

A-T, C-G pairing in the double helix is set to a specific pattern for code recognition, allowing for further cell replication later via mitosis/meiosis and RNA. The base pair double-helix needs to be exact, otherwise mutations occur and can drastically affect this new cell.

A cancerous cell is created when one of the base pairs isn't copied correctly by the DNA-transcriptase enzyme, and a faulty mRNA copy is sent out for the new cell's creation. When this new cell is formed, the faulty DNA allows for problems in the body; proteins will not be correctly made by the cell, meaning that the surface protein receptor on that cell may not function. Ergo, the cell will not receive signals to stop asexual reproduction and therefore you'll get a buildup of cancer cells and, eventually, a tumour.

Anything that can destroy or tamper with the DNA base coding sequence can therefore cause cancer. Electromagnetic waves, microwaves, gamma waves, x-rays, the works. The same thing, I believe, works with the brain cells.

You might also want to go take a little research into 'Prions' for more information on brain protein deformation.


Yeah, The electromagnetic waves hits the cells, causing damage or disorientation to the DNA of the brain cells, which then multiply causing cancer

-shrugs- I go on what our teacher taught us petty much

Relliving-The-Past


madamfluff

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:40 am


This is far from my understanding and knowledge, although I am genuinely interested in genetics in general - but I have heard about this. There was even a case in the States about families living close to power lines or something, and how their children with leukemia was more than just happy coincidence.

Regarding the milk comment, things always change as to what is good and bad. I mean look at chocolate: People thought it gave you pimples and made you fat. Now it's medical beneficial due to the abilities chocolateh as to elevate serontonin levels amongst other benefits. How soon will we see or hear that it is bad again? Coffee is a better example of the argument being double-bladed. The caffiene in coffee is real bad according to research, but coffee can help alleviate headaches and prevent Parkinson's Disease. At the cost at putting our body into fight/flight mode, and thus running our bodies down in one regard, we prevent something that can be delilitating to our health. I mean, to use a silly argument, a cell phone which improves our socio-emotional state, and is useful in times of an emergency, is the cost the possible growth of a cancer in our brains?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:17 am


madamfluff
Now it's medical beneficial due to the abilities chocolateh as to elevate serontonin levels amongst other benefits.


I don't know if chocolate is considered beneficial in regards to medicine. Yes, it elevates serotonin levels in the brain, but at the same time, you flood the body with glucose and that causes other problems. Especially if you've got insulin-dependent diabetes. smile

That said, i'm not sure. I don't know many doctors who would prescribe Chocolate for a cure for low serotonin levels. I think there are much better drugs used in that. I could quite happily be proved wrong, however.

madamfluff
Coffee is a better example of the argument being double-bladed. The caffiene in coffee is real bad according to research, but coffee can help alleviate headaches and prevent Parkinson's Disease.


Proof that caffeine may prevent Parkinsons, please?

One of the prime candidates for the onset of Parkinsons is Prions, as I mentioned earlier. That's when a protein created -- PrPC -- into the prion form of PrPSC. This is irregular and doesn't fold up well, unlike PrPC. This later causes spongiform encephalopathies. The most recent studies show this is what causes BSE in cattle, or worse, variant Creutzfeld-Jakob disease in humans.

Reference:
Prions: Puzzling Infectious Proteins

Another point is that Parkinsons shows clear links to manganese toxicity and organophosphate pesticides. Caffeine does not reduce toxicity or help in avoiding pesticides. In fact, pesticides through surface run-off can quite easily enter water systems and could even be in the coffee that's drank.

Hugely unlikely, but it's a possibility in some places worldwide.

Reference:
Prion Disorders

Tailos-teichou


Lord Vyce
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:57 am


Tailos pretty much covered the whole cancer thing, so I won't elaborate.

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am) but too much milk only causes loss of Vitamin D and Calcium, among other nutrients. This could be because the system can only hold so much of each nutrient before becoming saturated, and it starts either storing (in the case of fat) or discarding. It's like the body is saying: "I can't hold on to anymore and this guy keeps giving me it, but at this level it could be poisonous, so I'm dumping what he's giving me, and most of what I have". Or something like that. I'm probably wrong, so don't pay any attention. (Not much knowledge of nutrition)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:41 pm


Tailos
Snip Snip!


Like I said mister, I'm no expert on this! However, as a future practitioner in the mental health field, chocolate does not contain enough chemicals or ingredients to boost serontonin levels that would equate to assisting a patient with an anxiety disorder for instance let alone depression. It's a slight boost, and although "choco-holics" who are apparently addicted to chocolate for its benefits can be attributed as being addicted on a purely psychological level. I mean, as a women who has a period once a month, if I don't get a huge bag of cheese crunchy chip-things going down my gullet, it just makes life appear to be that little bit more shitty. I know I don't need it to survive, and a craving is different from addiction. But I have attached a psychological meaning to this delicious cheesy snack when I am having a period. Otherwise I normally don't eat it.

Busted for foul word play again. Caffeine assists in the prevention of Parkinson's. It's not a direct cure for prevention. Links provided below:

Link One
Link Two
Link Three

If you cannot obtain the articles, I can provide the information you can acquire at your closest campus journal section - unfortunately I'm not rich enough to afford the online subscriptions to get the full article view.

Just remember, some diseases may be gained through the environment, but they may be genetic. The fact that my mother has rheumatoid arthritis can be bothersome as it increases my proneness to acquire the disease. Yet, I may go through life never acquiring the disease, but my children might. The next door neighbour who has no history of any form of arthritis in her family may develop the disease due to her exposure to the environment. It's vital to have a holistic approach when it comes to diagnosis.

I've never heard of such a thing Vyce, in particular with Vitamin D and Calcium. I understand that it applies to Vitamin A because the body naturally harvests the key chemicals that are contained within the vitamin itself and, especially if you have too much Vitamin A whilst pregnant, you may actually end up causing blindness in the child. Otherwise, from my general understanding and education on vitamins, what you don't use (with exceptions), you generally excrete.

madamfluff


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:36 pm


I think that anything could kill us at any time. Breathing will kill us. Hell, even the fact that our hearts beat will kill us. Did you have any idea that humans get about the same amount of heartbeats before they die? This is why animals with rapid heartbeats live shorter lives than those with slower ones (at least in the higher order animals).

I would personally have to say (which probably has not been said already) that cellphones promote stupidity and rudeness in public places.

I wish that I had a nice bowling ball to drop on the head of every annoying valleygirl talking "lyke and Omg" on her phone. It's annoying, and they multply every day. Even at my job at the computer lab, people are sometimes VERY rude on cellphones. They have the gall to look at ME like I'M being rude to them when I ask them to talk on the phone outside because it's disturbing the other labusers.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:36 pm


madamfluff
Like I said mister, I'm no expert on this!


I'm not either, but i'm learning to get there. And for 'no expert', you've got some pretty m4d sk1llz for human neurology and biochemistry.

madamfluff
chocolate does not contain enough chemicals or ingredients to boost serontonin levels that would equate to assisting a patient with an anxiety disorder for instance let alone depression.


That was what I was getting at. Chocolate is basically a pick-me-up for people who might just be feeling a little blue or upset from recent events. Like, say, maybe ending a relationship or having been watching a really sad, romantic film.

Chocolate does not have actual medical uses - ie, prescription.

madamfluff
...addicted on a purely psychological level.


3nodding Correct conclusion to draw so far, yes.

madamfluff
Caffeine assists in the prevention of PD


I couldn't see the first or third articles; not sure why that is. The second one I read, and it gave me a nice little snippet which i'd like to point out in the conclusion area:

"These findings suggest an inverse association between coffee drinking and PD; however, this association does not imply that coffee has a direct protective effect against PD." (Benedetti et al, 2000)

It might have been proved in one of the other articles, so i'm currently looking through ones that i've access to on my own university's Athens.

madamfluff
The fact that my mother has rheumatoid arthritis can be bothersome as it increases my proneness to acquire the disease. Yet, I may go through life never acquiring the disease, but my children might. The next door neighbour who has no history of any form of arthritis in her family may develop the disease due to her exposure to the environment.


I can't make any points here, as i'm very unknowledged on RA in general. I'll do a little reading up on it and hit back at you sometime, Fluff. wink Yes, it will increase the proneness because your blood may carry a rheumatoid factor, I believe, but otherwise I can't answer.

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As for Vyce's point there, i'll talk to one of my dorm-friends. She's a student covering Human Dietetics and Nutrition, so she'll be able to help me there.

I think the nearest I could assume would be, as Fluff mentioned, what isn't used is excreted. However, if you overload your body with milk, you're drowning your system with Vit. D, Ca, and all those other nutrients in milk. Hence, the body is fooled into believing that situation has changed and it no longer needs to store the nutrients because you're going to routinely ingest them.

Therefore, you're going to release the stored ones into the blood, and they'll filter out through the urine. Which is bad. sad

It works the same way with food: by eating three meals a day, your body won't store so much food as body fat, because you're taking enough in during the day that storage is unnecessary and wasteful.

Tailos-teichou


NekoIncChan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:04 am


I feel head-overridden when I see the level of discussion here. This is not pervert; it's pure advanced intellectualism which I'd be hard-pressed to figure out when awake AFTER I go through the biology reqs for my degree. x_X;

On topic: Don't police scanners emit a LOT more radiation than cellular phones, as a precision measure? For cellular phones, which are radio wave based anyways (police radars use different bands, but I believe tend towards infrared), I am questioning of how significant the cancer risks are. At the most, they are probably not significantly more risky than going out in an enviroment filled with noise from them.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:03 pm


NekoIncChan
At the most, they are probably not significantly more risky than going out in an enviroment filled with noise from them.


All depends on what waves are emitted from the devices, according to spectrometer graphs. The shorter the wavelength, the further it penetrates into the body. Below x-rays, I believe, all waves can pierce through bone and strike DNA in the nucleus of the cells - hence cancer.

That said, all waves - I think - can pierce through skin with the exception of the longest wavelength one. My physics knowledge sucks, so I can't name it. Radio waves, is it? Anything below that can pierce skin, and theoretically harm the cell surface proteins. That, however, is quite unlikely to cause any cancer due to no DNA mutations or damages.

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Pure advanced intellectualism? We need a little of that every now and then. Besides; it's quite hard to add perviness to a topic about cancer. smile

Tailos-teichou


madamfluff

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:34 am


Tailos
Snip Snip Again!

Well, therapy can alter brain function and thus it would be imperative to understand how it, amongst with other neurological aspects work. Expert status will be officially granted in 2010 I hope ninja

Sorry about the links, people are protective about their writings and now I can't see the full articles themselves now o.O And don't ask me how I managed this feat before sweatdrop

RA from what I can understand from my mother is a rather peculiar disease because often it is triggered by some "life-altering experience". Which can be almost anything. My mom's doctor said she's had patients who had RA triggered due to immigrating to a new country, or even a death in the family. My mother managed to get hers because our one cat died. It sounds real silly, but there was no other traceable event that could have triggered it, especially because my mother was fanatical about the cat and is a cat freak lover.

On the eating three meals a day bit, that's why it's absolutely stupid to eat much less and less regularly (no breakfast, only lunch and a small dinner for example) because your body reaches a panic mode and starts to "hoard" everything you ingest which actually causes weight gain and not loss initially.

NekoIncChan
I feel head-overridden when I see the level of discussion here. This is not pervert; it's pure advanced intellectualism which I'd be hard-pressed to figure out when awake AFTER I go through the biology reqs for my degree. x_X;

This is just some college stuff - if anything the longer you stay in college, the more brighter and intelligent you get (or so I've noticed with my marks ninja )
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:48 am


madamfluff
Well, therapy can alter brain function and thus it would be imperative to understand how it, amongst with other neurological aspects work. Expert status will be officially granted in 2010 I hope ninja


And good luck to you in that, Fluff. 3nodding Therapy alters brain function, you say? As in what, CAT scans, MRI, etcetera? Or psychological therapy? surprised

madamfluff
Sorry about the links, people are protective about their writings and now I can't see the full articles themselves now o.O And don't ask me how I managed this feat before sweatdrop


Hehe, not a problem at all. Either way, the point I was trying to make was the emboldened part - that there is no DEFINITE proof of caffeine being a protective chemical against PD, only that there are possible links that need to be followed up. Perhaps, for example, the chemical structure of caffeine and the way the molecule is set up - ring structure, maybe? - is what might have the link to prevention?

madamfluff
RA from what I can understand from my mother is a rather peculiar disease because often it is triggered by some "life-altering experience". Which can be almost anything. My mom's doctor said she's had patients who had RA triggered due to immigrating to a new country, or even a death in the family.


Please excuse me here, but i'm really unsure whether I agree. I don't know how to explain it, but i'll try as I go along.

RA is a peculiar disease - yes. However, the triggering idea is pretty unreliable as there's no proof of it. It might be because those life-altering experiences lower the body's natural resistance due to stress, but until someone shows me direct proof rather than suggested proof, i'm not going to believe that these minor traumas are the cause of RA.

More likely, old age, lacking vitamin intake, positive Rheumatoid factor, and weakened immune system are the direct causes.

madamfluff
My mother managed to get hers because our one cat died. It sounds real silly, but there was no other traceable event that could have triggered it, especially because my mother was fanatical about the cat and is a cat freak lover.


Hehe. It does sound slightly silly, but that's just from a scientific perspective. I don't know - I stand by my above prediction, but it does sound odd. Perhaps it wasn't an event that caused it?

madamfluff
On the eating three meals a day bit, that's why it's absolutely stupid to eat much less and less regularly (no breakfast, only lunch and a small dinner for example) because your body reaches a panic mode and starts to "hoard" everything you ingest which actually causes weight gain and not loss initially.


Completely agreed with you.

Doesn't mean i'm going to routinely eat regular meals, though. xd Yay student living.

Tailos-teichou


madamfluff

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:52 am


Tailos
Snip Snip Once Again!

Psychological therapy alters brain structure and function - that's why often it is imperative to go for therapy whilst on medication because medication alone does not solve the problem sufficiently enough. It sounds really weird, but I'm going with what I've been taught. A lot of mental thought has been attributed to physical biological aspects - take depression for example. Often enough, severely depressed individuals have a slump in their posture, have a monotonous voice tone, are more prone to getting sick than usual, and are constantly feeling exhausted. After therapy, the individual will be able to revert their thought-processes and thus be able to affect their physiological being - and thus no constant exhaustion for instance. If I remember correctly, this could be spotted in MRI scans, comparing OCD patients (I dislike this term, but if they have been hospitalised it gets used) before, during, and after treatment.

As you have stated, it is due to the lowering or suppression of the body's natural resistance or immune system. I have not said that they are the cause thereof, but it does act as a trigger. My mother lived with RA until she was 42-43. My cousin who now lives in New Zealand with my mother's blood sister and the rest of the family developed RA at 24. I understand the need for proof, yet some things are difficult to explain and work may or may not be done on it to prove it. My mother's immune system is constantly attacking her joints. Before she contracted the disease, she had a fairly strong immune system, only getting the annual winter 'flu once. Otherwise she got headaches. My mother stopped smoking when she was 35 and joined Weigh-Less to improve her diet for the better. It just does not add up then!
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