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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:55 am


I've avidly studied the craft for about 10 years, but there is still much more I feel like I have to learn. I don't wish to be a magickal person who is ignorant to what she is and everything there is to know about different paths and crafts.

My confusion...
I don't really know if I can call it a religion. Whatever I believe, I feel it's my beliefs. Can I call myself a pagan? I'm not sure if I can call myself such since I don't know if I believe in any gods or goddesses.

Am I a witch? I used to do magick before entering shamanism. It was fun and felt natural... at times. Other times it just felt like something was watching me and judging me. I still enjoy casting, despite the awkward stare of an other.

Am I a wiccan? I considered this and gave it a lot of thought for years. I like working in a pair, but who can you trust? I like the inspiration and powerful energy of an other while we cast and craft, but socialization is why I left the catholic church in the first place. Crafting and casting in rooms even give me an eerie feel. Out in nature is more comforting.

Am I a shaman? I've practiced it for about a year and then went to hedgewitchery. I feel like before I can truly call myself a hedgewitch, I should continue to do extensive research.


What I do know...
I would love to try skyclad. I feel free and natural in the nude, but then there's the visitors that come and hang with my bf and roommate and the whole "being naked in public."

I follow the Faerie Path. Whatever label I am, all I know is I have and probably will forever follow the path of the Gentry.

I'm curious about the traditional craft, druidry, and I still want to explore hedgewitchery.

I prefer to be outdoors when I cast and craft. The scents, the wind, the trees, the fresh air, and the little giggle of my inner fae always slips from my mouth when I work in nature. Many people have even noted that I remind them of a pixie or a sprite. I believe in energy; male and female, positive and negative. I believe that when enough energy is produced, it can manifest into something else; fear, for example.

Instead of looking to magick to always solve my problems, I prefer to ask for guidance from (yes, I know it's strange considering the athiest thing) the goddess and god (to me, I feel it is the moon and the sun) and give me strength to get through whatever it is.


I'm not sure what to truly call myself, even if it's being spiritual. I suppose I've reached a rebirth of some sort. The only thing I can thing of for me to do at this point is to explore and continue to learn and research these things. However, I do ask (without any harm done) everyone for their advice and blessings to help me find myself on this journey.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:03 am


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My confusion...
I don't really know if I can call it a religion. Whatever I believe, I feel it's my beliefs. Can I call myself a pagan? I'm not sure if I can call myself such since I don't know if I believe in any gods or goddesses.


You can stick with "spiritual" if you like. You're a Pagan because the term "Pagan" is so wide, but you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

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Am I a witch? I used to do magick before entering shamanism. It was fun and felt natural... at times. Other times it just felt like something was watching me and judging me. I still enjoy casting, despite the awkward stare of an other.


Technically, if you practice witchcraft, you're a witch. "Magick" with a K though is associated primarily with Thelema, so if you're doing magick you'd be a Thelemite.

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Am I a wiccan? I considered this and gave it a lot of thought for years. I like working in a pair, but who can you trust? I like the inspiration and powerful energy of an other while we cast and craft, but socialization is why I left the catholic church in the first place. Crafting and casting in rooms even give me an eerie feel. Out in nature is more comforting.


No. Wicca is a coven-based religion.

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Am I a shaman? I've practiced it for about a year and then went to hedgewitchery. I feel like before I can truly call myself a hedgewitch, I should continue to do extensive research.


No. "Shaman" is a word specific to Siberian culture. (I forget which one. I want to say Saami but it might be something else.)
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I follow the Faerie Path. Whatever label I am, all I know is I have and probably will forever follow the path of the Gentry.


Better you than me wink

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Instead of looking to magick to always solve my problems, I prefer to ask for guidance from (yes, I know it's strange considering the athiest thing) the goddess and god (to me, I feel it is the moon and the sun) and give me strength to get through whatever it is.


How can you ask guidance of something you don't believe in?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:08 pm


batsandcrows
I've avidly studied the craft for about 10 years, but there is still much more I feel like I have to learn. I don't wish to be a magickal person who is ignorant to what she is and everything there is to know about different paths and crafts.
With the occult there is always something to learn about and to explore. I've just decided to explore ceremonial magic in a lot more depth. I am also exploring through this evocation, enochian, and goetic magic. There is still a lot of folk lore and folk magic for me to explore. Each culture has its own magical practices. There are so many that I want to learn about. I can understand what you feel right there.

batsandcrows
My confusion...
I don't really know if I can call it a religion. Whatever I believe, I feel it's my beliefs. Can I call myself a pagan? I'm not sure if I can call myself such since I don't know if I believe in any gods or goddesses.
Pagan is simply one who is not a follower of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. Basically if you do not follow the God of Abraham you are Pagan. Belief in Gods or Goddesses are not required.


Religions are essentially categorized sets of beliefs. If you don't follow a specific pantheon or way of doing things you don't belong to a specific religion. You have your own spirituality. If you are a religious witch you could label it religious witchcraft and thus have witchcraft as your religion (but that just adds to the whole witchcraft is not a religion issue).

batsandcrows
Am I a witch? I used to do magick before entering shamanism. It was fun and felt natural... at times. Other times it just felt like something was watching me and judging me. I still enjoy casting, despite the awkward stare of an other.
You are a witch if you practice witchcraft. You mentioned above that you had studied witchcraft and practiced for a time. At that point in your life you were a witch. If you practice magic in some form you are a magician. Witchcraft makes one a witch. Simply practicing magic makes you a magician.


batsandcrows
Am I a wiccan?
You are Wiccan only if you follow the religion of Wicca. Do you worship a Moon Goddess who is triun in form and a Horned God that is also the God of the sun and her lover/child at the same time? Those are two things that are core to the practice of AEW/SEW. BTW requires initiation which I am guessing you don't have?
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I considered this and gave it a lot of thought for years. I like working in a pair, but who can you trust?
Relationship partners? My working partner is my fiance'. He doesn't know much or have much experience but he is happy to work magic and ritual with me when I ask. In BTW I believe they try to have an even amount of male and female coven members, which means every one would have a partner in the coven. Do you have any male friends that would be interested in working with you in this fashion? Maybe that would be a starting point. I ask only because you asked who you can trust.
batsandcrows
I like the inspiration and powerful energy of an other while we cast and craft, but socialization is why I left the catholic church in the first place. Crafting and casting in rooms even give me an eerie feel. Out in nature is more comforting.
So you don't like to socialize when you perform magic and spiritual actions? Why would you have to be trapped to a room? If you are on your own wouldn't you be able to go outside and work if that is what you would prefer?


batsandcrows
Am I a shaman? I've practiced it for about a year and then went to hedgewitchery. I feel like before I can truly call myself a hedgewitch, I should continue to do extensive research.
What did you define as hedge witchery? Hedge witchcraft is essentially a shamanic practice of witchcraft. It involves a lot of trance work and walking/traveling of various otherworlds that live along side of us. Magic may involve the use of spirits and typically had herbal/folk lore to it.



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What I do know...
I would love to try skyclad. I feel free and natural in the nude, but then there's the visitors that come and hang with my bf and roommate and the whole "being naked in public."
Could you set aside time for the rituals when no one would be over? There is a reason I haven't done any skyclad rituals outside my apartment in a very long time. Now were I to be at my parents I may think about it if they were away and I was house sitting. They have a lot of space and are surrounded by woods.


batsandcrows
I follow the Faerie Path. Whatever label I am, all I know is I have and probably will forever follow the path of the Gentry.
What is the Faerie path? What do you mean by The Gentry?


batsandcrows
I'm curious about the traditional craft, druidry, and I still want to explore hedgewitchery.
It sounds like you have many areas you are curious about. When it comes to traditional craft do you have a specific region in mind or just general? Different regions had slightly different practices. Druidry is something I have just recently decided to start researching again. Hedge witchcraft is essentially trance witchcraft.


batsandcrows
I prefer to be outdoors when I cast and craft. The scents, the wind, the trees, the fresh air, and the little giggle of my inner fae always slips from my mouth when I work in nature.
Most of the traditional witchcraft practices I have read about today focus on being outdoors as much as possible. The authors even went so far as to try and provide a few places where witches may be able to perform their outdoor rites in the city. I have a single tree outside in my yard that I have performed rites infront of. I am going to try and do a few more before I move.
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Many people have even noted that I remind them of a pixie or a sprite.
Have they ever told you why they feel that way about you? I've been told I have an otherworldly nature and some what of an angelic nature. This for me has just helped me tap into those aspects of my nature as a witch. The otherworldly nature for me has actually made it some what easier for spirit traveling.
batsandcrows
I believe in energy; male and female, positive and negative. I believe that when enough energy is produced, it can manifest into something else; fear, for example.
Magic is working with energy. Would focusing energy with specific intent fall into what you just described here? Do you think that there are other energetic forms out there?


batsandcrows
Instead of looking to magick to always solve my problems, I prefer to ask for guidance from (yes, I know it's strange considering the athiest thing) the goddess and god (to me, I feel it is the moon and the sun) and give me strength to get through whatever it is.
What about your higherself? Have you ever asked your holy guardian or holy spirit about it? This is the part of you that is in direct connection with spirits and divinities. This is what some people feel we talk to when we use Tarot cards or other forms of divination.



batsandcrows
I'm not sure what to truly call myself, even if it's being spiritual.
Spiritual and seeker seem to be appropriate terms for you right now. Spiritual to me just says you have a focus on your own relationship with the universe and the higher powers in however you see them. To me the term Seeker means you are searching for places of truth or truth in however it reveals itself to you. I am nothing but a seeker, though I do identify with being a specific rank in a tradition. I can still be a seeker of truth.
batsandcrows
I suppose I've reached a rebirth of some sort. The only thing I can thing of for me to do at this point is to explore and continue to learn and research these things. However, I do ask (without any harm done) everyone for their advice and blessings to help me find myself on this journey.
~Kaiak Moonfae
Right now if you practice witchcraft you can call yourself a witch.

If you belong to a religion which is not Jewish, Christain, or Islamic then you can call yourself a Pagan.

Shaman refers to a specific tribal practice and culture. Shamanic is a type of practice involving trance work.

Seeker means you are searching for truth as it reveals itself to you.

Spiritual is essentially forging your own path and connection with your higher self and place in the universe.

I wouldn't focus on a label right now. I would personally call you a spiritual seeker who has explored witchcraft in the past. If you feel comfortable calling yourself a witch then you are a witch. Other than that keep yourself open till you know where you want to go.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:36 am


Oh, the labels, probably the most problamatic area in modern witchcraft. We do, in our modern world, have a bit of an obsession with everything being labeled and filed properly. As mundane as it seems, it's one of the things that a modern witch must learn to fight against and get over.

Now, we all know that words have power. What we tend to forget is that power is not intrinsic. We give it to them. Now you take a cat. In your mind that cat is a cat b/c you call it a cat. But, we mistakenly tend to believe that we cal it a cat b/c it is a cat. Wrong, the universe did not invent this sound to be representative of this creature and then we discovered it andbegan to use it. We invented it. And that cat is still going to be the same creature if we call it a feline, or a pest, or a grimmelputz. We say cat b/c when we refer to the cat to another, we want to be understood, if we say grimmelputz we're not going to get understanding, but rather a perplexed look.

From the other side, the word cat does not just mean cat. Depending on context and company it can also mean a felaine furry, one of the big cats, a female we don't like, a catepiller, a Cattepiller brand piece of equpiment, a catemaran, and I'm going to stop there, nto b/c this is anywhere near a complete list, but b/c I feel the point is made.

Now generaly this sort of thing is not a problem. people get that words have more than one meaning, and that tings can be called by more thanone word. But, when you get to titles, suddenly they get very particular. The fact that you even ask the question at all indicates that you are probably area of the communications purity witch wars that rage over who has the right to call whom what. This is the Pagan version of sprinkling vs emersion, and counts for just as much in the end.

Some where along the line we got the idea that there's a system to this. I blame fantasy fiction and RPGs. They presented a modern idea that there were this different varieies of magic, different fields one could choose to follow for study, if you will. And, that these all came with their own title that could be earned after completion of successful study, like being a mage in the ancient world was akin to being a doctor or lawyer in today's world. That's not how it worked.

Essentially this si the same as if one grou decided that only siamese were al cats, while another decided that since siameses are of Asian orgin they are, in fact, neko, and that tabbies are the only real cats. Meanwhile, yet another group has decided that cats refers to the big cats, and renouces domestic cats as "fluffy snowflakes" pretending to be cats so they can claim an impressive title. So here comes a cat fluffy LARPer, calls themselves a cat, and immediately gets set upon by all 3 groups, pummeld with rhetoric as to why the word cat needs to be used only by certain rules, and eventually burned at the stake for refusing to do things the "right" way.

Take my advice. Stay out of the whole mess. You know what you are. What labl you use will change that not at all. When you have achieved a level where you can see these words fo what they are, and stop imbuing them with some false power that exsist only in you rmind, this will all matter much less than it does now. I don't know you, or much about you, but I do know this: You were not put her to please others, and adhere to their standards. You were put here to become who YOU were meant to be.

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