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 Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:10 pm
Sunshine Peach-Heart I honestly think gun laws in the US are too lenient. Fortunately, here in Massachusetts. our gun laws are pretty strict, so any old schmuck can't just buy a gun at the store, however, when I've been to Wal-Marts in NH they had a weaponry isle--which seemed like a really foreign thing to me. I could be a terrorist or mentally unstable and in other parts of the country they won't even check for any of that? Ridiculous.Gun laws should be stricter. The shooting could have been prevented if there were more restrictions on guns. How would restrictions work when it comes to buying weapons on the black market? How would they prevent some stealing a firearm?
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:19 pm
emorhconom esor Sunshine Peach-Heart I honestly think gun laws in the US are too lenient. Fortunately, here in Massachusetts. our gun laws are pretty strict, so any old schmuck can't just buy a gun at the store, however, when I've been to Wal-Marts in NH they had a weaponry isle--which seemed like a really foreign thing to me. I could be a terrorist or mentally unstable and in other parts of the country they won't even check for any of that? Ridiculous.Gun laws should be stricter. The shooting could have been prevented if there were more restrictions on guns. How would restrictions work when it comes to buying weapons on the black market? How would they prevent some stealing a firearm? As someone who lives across the pond where gun laws are probably stricter than the most gun control-happy states in the US, I'll field this question. There is a black market for firearms, but it isn't as rampant as one might expect. I don't have the foggiest idea where to go about getting a gun on the black market, and I know some pretty shady people. Of course, I've never asked, but it's not something that one is likely to just happen upon. And of course some people will steal guns from those who acquire them legally, but the less people who have guns, the less people there are to steal guns from.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:10 pm
It seems:
- Gun availability is a problem if more mentally unstable people are allowed to own and operate guns.
- Gun availability is a solution if more responsible people are allowed to own and operate guns.
With that in mind, gun control would effectively limit the availability of guns to all citizens, rather than one group. With smaller access to guns, less people would be able to carry out violent plans with firearms, but also less people would be able to effectively defend against those violent plans. In other words, there might be fewer incidents, but there would be a higher amount of casualties in each incident, overall.
Not having gun control would give everyone higher access to guns, meaning that more plans could be carried out, but more plans could also be stopped mid-way, or before they end in violence. More incidents, less tragedy per incident.
Personally, neither solution seems acceptable. Instead, laws or policies that are smart in placement of effective deterrents to crime (human deterrents, like citizens owning guns) would be best, since less people will be likely to commit a crime if the consequences are higher. It's important not to create more laws, but to better enforce the ones already present. The only way to enforce the law is to use people.
Thus, several solutions are possible, but there is no one blanket solution for every scenario. Two solutions for schools would be to train teachers to have concealed weapons in their desks, as the screening for teachers already includes psychological testing, so teachers are not likely to kill their students, or to post more trained police officers/whatever to guard the schools. There are many more examples for more scenarios, but that's a start.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:16 pm
Exore The Mighty It seems: - Gun availability is a problem if more mentally unstable people are allowed to own and operate guns. - Gun availability is a solution if more responsible people are allowed to own and operate guns. With that in mind, gun control would effectively limit the availability of guns to all citizens, rather than one group. With smaller access to guns, less people would be able to carry out violent plans with firearms, but also less people would be able to effectively defend against those violent plans. In other words, there might be fewer incidents, but there would be a higher amount of casualties in each incident, overall. Not having gun control would give everyone higher access to guns, meaning that more plans could be carried out, but more plans could also be stopped mid-way, or before they end in violence. More incidents, less tragedy per incident. Personally, neither solution seems acceptable. Instead, laws or policies that are smart in placement of effective deterrents to crime (human deterrents, like citizens owning guns) would be best, since less people will be likely to commit a crime if the consequences are higher. It's important not to create more laws, but to better enforce the ones already present. The only way to enforce the law is to use people. Thus, several solutions are possible, but there is no one blanket solution for every scenario. Two solutions for schools would be to train teachers to have concealed weapons in their desks, as the screening for teachers already includes psychological testing, so teachers are not likely to kill their students, or to post more trained police officers/whatever to guard the schools. There are many more examples for more scenarios, but that's a start. Big question: What constitutes as mentally unstable? Would it be those that take medication? Would it be those that the government recognizes as having a disorder? Those are huge questions to consider.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:32 am
Exore The Mighty It seems: - Gun availability is a problem if more mentally unstable people are allowed to own and operate guns. - Gun availability is a solution if more responsible people are allowed to own and operate guns. With that in mind, gun control would effectively limit the availability of guns to all citizens, rather than one group. With smaller access to guns, less people would be able to carry out violent plans with firearms, but also less people would be able to effectively defend against those violent plans. In other words, there might be fewer incidents, but there would be a higher amount of casualties in each incident, overall. Not having gun control would give everyone higher access to guns, meaning that more plans could be carried out, but more plans could also be stopped mid-way, or before they end in violence. More incidents, less tragedy per incident. Personally, neither solution seems acceptable. Instead, laws or policies that are smart in placement of effective deterrents to crime (human deterrents, like citizens owning guns) would be best, since less people will be likely to commit a crime if the consequences are higher. It's important not to create more laws, but to better enforce the ones already present. The only way to enforce the law is to use people. Thus, several solutions are possible, but there is no one blanket solution for every scenario. Two solutions for schools would be to train teachers to have concealed weapons in their desks, as the screening for teachers already includes psychological testing, so teachers are not likely to kill their students, or to post more trained police officers/whatever to guard the schools. There are many more examples for more scenarios, but that's a start. Having concealed weapons to responsible staff and personal could help limit causalities, of course it won't completely solve the problem. I mean, look at the Chinese slashing of 22 children in school by a homicidal man. To be fair, it's somewhat impossible to restrain 'crazy' lest people are more trained in iding those with potential symptoms/acts.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:31 am
as I see it, where there is a will; there is a way. If someone is so sick in the head to plan something out, she/he would find a way. Even if it is building a hand full of single shot guns from metal pipe and fired by a lit match.
All the laws in the world can't stop one who is focused, on his task.
Am I saying, stricter gun laws are the answer... no... nether is more lean gun laws. To me, the best gun control, that can be offered, is a more active watch program. No, I don't mean hiring more cops. But, just keeping an eye out. If you see trouble, report it, you see a friend acting a little strange, act on it. You can stop any issue, if one just chooses to act. But, many people don't. They see the issue, but silently go on their way.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:42 pm
In regards to schools, they should be stricter on allowing people to just go up into the school like it is no big deal.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:16 am
Alright. You want my opinion on this? Look, gun control laws will never fully solve the problem. Even IF America was to be made gun free, please tell me how they would enforce that? 90+million legal gun owners, and 325 million legal guns. About half of all american homes have at least one gun in them. These are the numbers for LEGAL gun owners... i have no idea how many illegal gun owners and guns are out there. However, that is more than the US military (3 million active and reserve) and the police force including federal (2 million). To think that America should be gun free is simply naive. Now in terms of acquiring a fire arm (legally) there should definitely be a background check and periodic psychological check ups. However, if you look at Kennesaw, Georgia; they require that every adult has a gun on them at all times. Since that law has been put in place, there hasn't been a single incident of gun related violence. People tend to think twice when they know everyone else is packing heat too. I believe whole heartedly in the 2nd amendment, and these people trying to take that away are either naive or completely blind to what the world is today.
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