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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:04 am


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Old Testament vs New Testament

I have heard that we do not have to follow the OT anymore, only the NT applies to us.

Is this true?
Why? Why not?
What do you think?
Can you give us proof from the bible to back up your statement?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:47 pm


"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." Matthew 19:17

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." -John 14:21

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. - Matthew 5:17

If you read the whole Bible from beginning to end, you'll get the whole picture, especially about commandments meant for Jews and Gentiles. If it seems a bit daunting, by an easy to read bible or one you feel comfortable with. I'd suggest The Power of a Praying Woman Bible (NIV) Prayer and Study Helps by Stormie Omartian. Also you'll probably want to have one of the oldest originals, KJV (King James Version or Darby), and have that to back up anything that sounds off in the NIV. Some verses that are in the KJV, are left out of the NIV (New International version). The Bible is a great book, even better than Twilight.

Ameixah7

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:16 am


Reading the bible from beginning to end is a must. Until I did that, I felt like the bible contradicted itself and was full of injustice (from what I'd hear atheists quoting). Romans 11 makes it very clear that converted gentiles (us, the "goyim", the rest of the nations) are in the process of joining into a remnant of Israel. True Israelites live by Torah.

One thing no one can deny is that Jesus is our focus and the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) detail how He lived by Torah in spirit and in truth—as originally intended by the Father, not the way the Pharisees ended up abusing his law. He totally rejected man-made traditions that contradicted his Father's words; he did everything to glorify the Father and carry out his will

Carrying out the Father's will is what he taught his apostles to do. The verse I have quoted in my sig (Acts 24) is Paul speaking:

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Acts 24:14 (NIV)

14 However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,


This is after Jesus died, resurrected and ascended. People read the epistles (Romans, Galatians, Hebrews, etc...) and think that Paul taught against the law, but he didn't. Paul made it very clear: no one is justified by keeping the law; but, people read that and think "oh ok, so we're free to live in contradiction to it". No /)_-'. Sustaining the community in working-order is what we should continue to do. The "world" and Our Father define that differently. So I think the Old Testament is vital information for all believers (let alone the prophecies that have yet to be fulfilled). The OT is the explanation for things that are said in the new (i.e. why jesus has to sacrifice himself). Sometimes the New elaborates on the Old ( i.e. New Heavens and New Earth prophecies; the after-life, sheol and hell). You can't separate them.

edit: another big difference between the OT & NT: the Holy Spirit was not a promise given to everyone under the old covenant. Yeshua said we could only receive it after he died and resurrected (Jn 16:7). By the time we get to Jn 20:22 he's giving the Holy Spirit to his apostles (after he resurrected). Then throughout the Book of Acts we see the various ways it came upon people to permanently dwell in them. The common thread through all of them though, is that they repented of their sins/sinful lifestyles, some had to ask for it in prayer (Acts 8:15), just like he tells us to do in Lk 11:13. It is the seal that marks us as his (Eph 4:30) and enables us to walk in his ways (Eze 36:27).
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:12 am



I don't like the whole OT vs. NT idea. I don't think it's Biblical. The Old Testament points to the New Testament. The entire Bible is supposed to be taken as one book telling God's plan of redemptive history.

Remember that the Old Testament law was given to show the hardness of heart and the sinfulness of humanity. God's intention has always been salvation by faith in the heart. Paul talks about this in Romans, using Abraham as the example. Abraham was a gentile. He became the first Jew because God called him out of paganism and into faith in Him. He was declared righteous because of his faith.

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