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 Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:22 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Beware the Jabberwock lymelady I plan on doing Santa Clause, somewhat because I don't want to be the mother who all the other parents call going, "My child told me that your daughter said you told her that there isn't a santa clause! Now he doesn't believe in Santa Clause anymore! Thanks a lot!" *HUmps your leg* Thank you for saying what I was about to. If I ever decide to tell my children abotu Satan Clause (no, I didn't misspell it) or the easter bunny, I'll tell them the truth. That they are make beleive characters desighned for fun, and thatthey shoudl be treated as such. Sorry to be frank, but even if you don't believe in telling your kids about Santa Claus, dubbing him "Satan Claus" seems a little childish to me. And I still don't think, in a matter as harmless as this one, that you should be proud of keeping other people's kids from being "lied" to.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:04 pm
Beware the Jabberwock lymelady I plan on doing Santa Clause, somewhat because I don't want to be the mother who all the other parents call going, "My child told me that your daughter said you told her that there isn't a santa clause! Now he doesn't believe in Santa Clause anymore! Thanks a lot!" i love you with mouth
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:15 pm
I am proud that I'm keepign other children form being lied to. Because thats what it is, a lie. Instead of tellign them the truth, they lie, and when that lie comes out theyt have to deal with a screamign child, or one who hates them for lieing to them, or (if they'r lucky) one who just dosn' t care In most ways its a lie that takes away form the glory of God. Instead of worshiping God and knowing that Christmas is the day we celebreat the birth of Christ, they celebrate it as the tiem when Santa Clause brings toys. I don't liek that, I won't tell my children that, and I don't condone other people telling my children that. I won't tell their kids he's not real, but if a discruntled parent come to me saying that their son/daughter foudn out form my kid that their is no such thing as santa clause...well Beware the Jabberwock Me: "I'm not going to lie to my child so that you can continue lying to your own without interruption." Also, if sarcasm is being childesh then we all deserve ot be sent back to pre-school
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:21 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I am proud that I'm keepign other children form being lied to. Because thats what it is, a lie. Instead of tellign them the truth, they lie, and when that lie comes out theyt have to deal with a screamign child, or one who hates them for lieing to them, or (if they'r lucky) one who just dosn' t care In most ways its a lie that takes away form the glory of God. Instead of worshiping God and knowing that Christmas is the day we celebreat the birth of Christ, they celebrate it as the tiem when Santa Clause brings toys. I don't liek that, I won't tell my children that, and I don't condone other people telling my children that. I won't tell their kids he's not real, but if a discruntled parent come to me saying that their son/daughter foudn out form my kid that their is no such thing as santa clause...well Beware the Jabberwock Me: "I'm not going to lie to my child so that you can continue lying to your own without interruption." Also, if sarcasm is being childesh then we all deserve ot be sent back to pre-school i agree- because when they learn the truth, it is usually too much. so, by not lying to them, i hope to toughen my children up, so they don't one day realize that the world isn't made up of free kittens and jolly fat men who give away stuff, that the ending isn't always happy. otherwise, i fear they may have unreasonable expectations for life, only to be crushed when they realize that it is not likely at all.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:06 pm
You can bring up your kids however you like. But if you want that privilage, you should also allow other people the same privilage. If the kid is going to "hate them for lying," then a) there's almost certainly problems besides "OMG, Santa isn't real???" and b) That's the end results of -their- choices. Not yours.
Not everyone's Christian. And Christians aren't the only ones who celebrate Christmas anymore.
Also, sarcasm isn't necessarily childish. "LOLZ, Santa == Satan, LOLZ" is. As though no one else has ever made the connection between the names. Ooh, you rearranged the letters in his name! Bravo! Wanna cookie?
The childish part was primarily the fact that you pointed it out "(No that's not a typo)" as though you are so very clever.
divine: The world isn't made up of kittens, blah blah blah, but that doesn't mean that there is no good in the world. I think that a "realism" approach to parenting is very foolish, because the world may not be just good things, but if you take away good things that they can have, what reason to they have for wanting to live? Is it any worse for them to think that a fat man gives them free things then it is that their parents give them free things? Are you also going to make them buy and cook all their own food? Are you going to make them pay rent? Because once they get out into the real world, Mommy and Daddy aren't going to pay for and cook their meals either.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:29 pm
I.Am You can bring up your kids however you like. But if you want that privilage, you should also allow other people the same privilage. If the kid is going to "hate them for lying," then a) there's almost certainly problems besides "OMG, Santa isn't real???" and b) That's the end results of -their- choices. Not yours. Not everyone's Christian. And Christians aren't the only ones who celebrate Christmas anymore. Also, sarcasm isn't necessarily childish. "LOLZ, Santa == Satan, LOLZ" is. As though no one else has ever made the connection between the names. Ooh, you rearranged the letters in his name! Bravo! Wanna cookie? The childish part was primarily the fact that you pointed it out "(No that's not a typo)" as though you are so very clever. divine: The world isn't made up of kittens, blah blah blah, but that doesn't mean that there is no good in the world. I think that a "realism" approach to parenting is very foolish, because the world may not be just good things, but if you take away good things that they can have, what reason to they have for wanting to live? Is it any worse for them to think that a fat man gives them free things then it is that their parents give them free things? Are you also going to make them buy and cook all their own food? Are you going to make them pay rent? Because once they get out into the real world, Mommy and Daddy aren't going to pay for and cook their meals either. no, it's not that i would tell them only bad things- but it seems to me that though there are good things, and they are taught, we tend to leave out the bad things- we never tell the kids that christopher columbus was a hateful man who enslaved the natives- we don't talk about conquistodors killing indians by the thousands. we don't talk about how we took the indian's land from them. thus, they get an unrealistic view of what exactly happened. now, that's not to say that there weren't kind people or good things that happened, but both should be taught equally and realistically.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:35 pm
I.Am You can bring up your kids however you like. But if you want that privilage, you should also allow other people the same privilage. If the kid is going to "hate them for lying," then a) there's almost certainly problems besides "OMG, Santa isn't real???" and b) That's the end results of -their- choices. Not yours. Not everyone's Christian. And Christians aren't the only ones who celebrate Christmas anymore. Also, sarcasm isn't necessarily childish. "LOLZ, Santa == Satan, LOLZ" is. As though no one else has ever made the connection between the names. Ooh, you rearranged the letters in his name! Bravo! Wanna cookie? The childish part was primarily the fact that you pointed it out "(No that's not a typo)" as though you are so very clever. Aside from the fact that I give about a micron of s**t of what you said, you're atempt at insulting me was there, and it failed. But, fear not, you get a cookie none the less smile I'm not tryign to insult you here though, I'm quite serious. If I didn't give a miconr I wouldn't have responded. divineseraph no, it's not that i would tell them only bad things- but it seems to me that though there are good things, and they are taught, we tend to leave out the bad things- we never tell the kids that christopher columbus was a hateful man who enslaved the natives- we don't talk about conquistodors killing indians by the thousands. we don't talk about how we took the indian's land from them. thus, they get an unrealistic view of what exactly happened. now, that's not to say that there weren't kind people or good things that happened, but both should be taught equally and realistically. I knwo a book you might like. "The Politicly Incorect Guid to American History." Bravo noen the less. I couldn't agree more. No child shoudl have to live with half truths and nearly unrealisticly. They deserve the whole story.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:10 pm
i read a comic-type book, not quite a graphic novel, but in comic-book form... anyway, it was about how much of our money goes into wars in which we kill civilians for the gain of a few men up top
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:18 pm
divineseraph i read a comic-type book, not quite a graphic novel, but in comic-book form... anyway, it was about how much of our money goes into wars in which we kill civilians for the gain of a few men up top I honsotly wouldn't beleive stuff liek that right out. Did you look into it at all to see if it was lagit?
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:02 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle divineseraph i read a comic-type book, not quite a graphic novel, but in comic-book form... anyway, it was about how much of our money goes into wars in which we kill civilians for the gain of a few men up top I honsotly wouldn't beleive stuff liek that right out. Did you look into it at all to see if it was lagit? yeah, it's pretty accurate- it's basically a history book in graphic novel form, but also including civilian casualties, how much money we spend, how many of our guys died, who we were fighting and for what.
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:25 am
divineseraph Pyrotechnic Oracle divineseraph i read a comic-type book, not quite a graphic novel, but in comic-book form... anyway, it was about how much of our money goes into wars in which we kill civilians for the gain of a few men up top I honsotly wouldn't beleive stuff liek that right out. Did you look into it at all to see if it was lagit? yeah, it's pretty accurate- it's basically a history book in graphic novel form, but also including civilian casualties, how much money we spend, how many of our guys died, who we were fighting and for what. Well, usialy stuff like that isn't exactly true, especialy if its in a graphic novel. Such things are targeted at a younger generation, and almost all forms of media outlets only projects a veiw fitting with the liberal agenda. In other words, it may not be what those wars were for, the casualty numbers may have been exagerated, etc. Whats the name of this book? I'd liek to find out for my self.
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:14 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle divineseraph Pyrotechnic Oracle divineseraph i read a comic-type book, not quite a graphic novel, but in comic-book form... anyway, it was about how much of our money goes into wars in which we kill civilians for the gain of a few men up top I honsotly wouldn't beleive stuff liek that right out. Did you look into it at all to see if it was lagit? yeah, it's pretty accurate- it's basically a history book in graphic novel form, but also including civilian casualties, how much money we spend, how many of our guys died, who we were fighting and for what. Well, usialy stuff like that isn't exactly true, especialy if its in a graphic novel. Such things are targeted at a younger generation, and almost all forms of media outlets only projects a veiw fitting with the liberal agenda. In other words, it may not be what those wars were for, the casualty numbers may have been exagerated, etc. Whats the name of this book? I'd liek to find out for my self. i forget sweatdrop but seriosuly though, we DO target civilians a lot...we bomb cities, a lot. hiroshima and nagasaki? there were no significant military targets there, and even ifthere were, we dropped the bombs in the exact center of the cities. we were trying to kill people. not to say that japan hasn't ever done horrible things- but we're not perfect either- we are all the same, we are all terrorists, we are all horrible, country-wise.
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