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 Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:49 pm
 As it is in the Bible... Do you consider it wrong to marry more than one person in a religious or non religious marriage? Why is it not normally done with modern Christians as opposed to Christians in the Bible?
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:21 am
I just don't think polygamy is right. I think that is an outdated and well it doesn't hold up anymore just like some other things in the Bible. I personally would not consent to such a relationship but then again I am highly protective, and I get jealous very easily. It would not be an ideal situation for me. Now should I force this view on others, no I shouldn't. I think I'll look up some scripture on this later, I don't know much about this practice except I remember seeing men in the Bible with many wives. And plus I learned a little bit from that show on TLC called Sister Wives But that is about the extent of my knowledge. Can anyone share a view and provide proof that says it's ok or not? Not a lot of people are willing to talk about this subject I don't think because I never see it brought up anywhere.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:53 am
Any thoughts guys? emotion_kirakira
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:54 am
I can't think of a single situation where having multiple wives benefited the husband; polygamy just brought jealousy amongst the wives and the siblings, plus fighting over inheritance. Gosh what a nightmare to have to divide your land and animals amongst so many, let alone support them all. People don't even pay child support or stay together over one child these days, lol. If polygamy were the ideal, YHWH would say man and wives, not wife. Quote: Genesis 2:24 (NIV) 24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. side note: his people weren't called Christians until the Book of Acts ( Acts 11:26) [for that matter, no one was a Jew until after Jacob had a son named Judah, and Judah started having descendants, lol). Reading through Acts and after, it doesn't sound like any Christians had more than one wife. Actually, I can't recall polygamy in the gospels (and these families are Judean/Israelite, not gentile). The instances of polygamy are littered all over the Old Testament though; I find that interesting because the common theme throughout the Old Testament is "disloyalty to your spouse" (disloyalty to their Heavenly Father: the Israelites pursued other gods, made "lovers" out of their neighboring nations instead of relying on YHWH—the spouse whom they should be loyal to). Then New Testament comes along, and people have one spouse. edit: thinking about it some more, having more than one wife is adultery: Quote: Mark 10:11-12(NIV) 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.” If divorced people commit adultery for re-marrying, then much less if you're still married to a woman and marry another. Note on the divorced couple: it wouldn't count as adultery if they had divorced over sexual immorality issues. (Mt 5:32, 19:9)
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:13 am
I can't say that I'm informed enough to use scripture to back up if it's ok or not. It's obviously taboo in today's culture among the majority of Christian sects. Perhaps it wasn't considered wrong in the old testament because man was still new to the world and needed the advantage to populate abundantly. If polygamy were highly accepted in the majority of the world right now imagine just how much worse our population problems would be? It's already bad enough considering the death rates are going down while the birth rates are going up. The world couldn't sustain us if all the average man had several wives.
Aside from that how does one man keep up with so many women? How do these women live with the constant competition while trying to pretend sharing a man doesn't bother them? I don't think that humans are made to be that way. We're not zebras or cats or turtles. Marriage is supposed to be about commitment, not breeding.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:26 am
Subliminal Aftermath As it is in the Bible... Do you consider it wrong to marry more than one person in a religious or non religious marriage? Why is it not normally done with modern Christians as opposed to Christians in the Bible?
Which Christians in the Bible had multiple wives?
Please note: you used the word "Christian", not "Jew". If you meant to say "Jews" because that would describe certain people in the Old Testament, then you don't need to give examples. I already know of those people. If, however, you are actually referring to Christians (believers in Christ after His resurrection and ascension) please give me the references.
I will say this, that Adam was only with Eve. The Bible attests to the fact that a man shall leave his parents and cleave to his wife. Not wives. Wife. Genesis 2:24.
Of course, people could argue against this the way they argue against the "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" case. Personally I believe that that case is completely and totally valid for Bible-believing Christians, and non-believers (who don't have the Holy Spirit's illumination and so cannot understand the truth of God) really have no say in the matter. Only Christians who disagree with that argument. But, of course, it is generally non-Christians who disagree with it.
There's a rabbit trail for you. Don't fall into Wonderland.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:56 pm
A few years ago I ran into a Mormon (which of course is the religion that is known for polygamy) and it came up in the conversation (as many things do on a 3 hour car ride to a conference meeting). He said that the reason Mormons were for it in more recent times was because women still could not own land, and it was during a war ( I don't remember which one he said) and many husbands were dying in the war. This left all the women basically helpless they couldn't work and couldn't own the land. So they adopted polygamy to be able to take care of more women and children who had been left behind from the war.
As for in Bible times, it's actually something I have wondered about, but never really found a good answer too, as to why they practiced it. I don't remember any cases of polygamy in the New Testament though
In current age, I can't imagine why anyone would want more than 1 wife in the first place, it would make the household a rather dismal place to be I bet. I don't think it is a good thing to do either.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:24 pm
"Go forth and populate the world"
Can't remeber the verse, but wasn't that a command by God?
Now it will be so much easier to populate, if you have 90 wives and one husband.... Personally, I can't even get one....
As for why not many do it now, it is against the law in many states to practice. Would be my best guess....
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:29 pm
Iam WhoIAm [...] He said that the reason Mormons were for it in more recent times was because women still could not own land, and it was during a war ( I don't remember which one he said) and many husbands were dying in the war. This left all the women basically helpless they couldn't work and couldn't own the land. So they adopted polygamy to be able to take care of more women and children who had been left behind from the war. [...] That is not a valid excuse if they were being true to scripture. When your husband dies, you become a widow and in both Old and New Testaments we're commanded to care for orphans and widows. It's not like their "lack of a husband" in a Christian community would've been a threat to their survival. Verses: Exodus 22:22; Deuteronomy 10:18; 14:29; 24:17, 19-21; 27:19; Isaiah 1:17; Psalm 82:3; Jeremiah 7:6; Zechariah 7:10; Malachi 3:5; Proverbs 31:9; James 1:27; Acts 6:1-3; 1 Corinthians 7:8-9; 1 Timothy 5:3-16Especially the verses in Timothy, notice how it details the way in which widows should be taken care of. The solution is not polygamy.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:53 pm
Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) had 3 wives
Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) had 2 wives
King David (peace be upon him) had 8 wives
King Solomon (peace be upon him) had 700 wives and 300 concubines
The List goes on and on
I doubt God cared how many wives you had back then since it was the cultural norm
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:37 pm
real eyes realize Iam WhoIAm [...] He said that the reason Mormons were for it in more recent times was because women still could not own land, and it was during a war ( I don't remember which one he said) and many husbands were dying in the war. This left all the women basically helpless they couldn't work and couldn't own the land. So they adopted polygamy to be able to take care of more women and children who had been left behind from the war. [...] That is not a valid excuse if they were being true to scripture. When your husband dies, you become a widow and in both Old and New Testaments we're commanded to care for orphans and widows. It's not like their "lack of a husband" in a Christian community would've been a threat to their survival. Verses: Exodus 22:22; Deuteronomy 10:18; 14:29; 24:17, 19-21; 27:19; Isaiah 1:17; Psalm 82:3; Jeremiah 7:6; Zechariah 7:10; Malachi 3:5; Proverbs 31:9; James 1:27; Acts 6:1-3; 1 Corinthians 7:8-9; 1 Timothy 5:3-16Especially the verses in Timothy, notice how it details the way in which widows should be taken care of. The solution is not polygamy. I don't approve of the situation, just sharing what I have heard from someone of a different religion, after all Mormon's are not Christians. I agree that it is not the correct way of dealing with things, but it has already happened and can't really be changed. Though from what I understand they no longer do approve of it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:40 am
First of all I'd just like to say, in response to the post above, that Mormons are Christians. Mormon=LDS member=member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Now back to the main point. Being a Mormon myself I've often had people ask me about the whole polygamy issue. As I was growing up I didn't have a very clear understanding of the issue myself, so I was never able to give people any good answers to explain why the church once practiced polygamy. The only explanation that readily came to mind was "God made a special exception for them because of blahblahblahblah." This "excuse" has already been somewhat explained above, and, of course, everyone has written it off as the worst excuse ever. "Polygamy is wrong," everyone says, "You can't just say that God changed his mind to give you an excuse to have seven wives." To my younger self, this argument made perfect sense and was impossible to refute.
Since then, however, I have looked into the issue a lot more and I've come to the conclusion: Polygamy is not wrong. Nor was it ever wrong. Nor is it right. Nor was it ever right. As far as I can tell from what I've read in the Bible, God is completely indifferent on the matter of polygamy. The problem is that there is a very thin line between polygamy and adultery--when that line is crossed, it becomes a sin. So polygamy is not a sin, but it leads very easily into sin. There is a section in the Doctrine and Covenants that draws a very specific line between polygamy and adultery, given to the early church members so they would know what was okay and what was sin.
I'm not saying that I think polygamy is a good idea--it sounds gross to me. And if you live in a country where it's illegal then obviously you should respect the law. But if you live in a country where it is legal, and part of the culture, and you know the line between polygamy and adultery and you're careful not to cross that line, then I don't see why it would be considered a sin.
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:51 am
I guess this is as good a time as any to come out as a polyamorist. Note that I specifically use the term ployamory, not polygamy. Polygamy referfs specifically to one husband having more than one wife, whereas polyamory is a broader term used to describe people who are in a romantic relationship with more than one person, regardless of the genders of those involved.
Poly relationships come in all sorts of varieties and the "rules" involved are usually specific to each individual relationship.
I can't say that I avidly promote polyamorous relationships for most people. It takes a certain kind of person to not only be okay with such a relationship, but to desire it and thrive in it. I'm not saying that poly people are any better than monogamous people or vice versa, they're just different. Most people would not do well in a poly relationship, and that's okay.
Neither my partner nor I are jealous people. We also share the view that being in a romantic relationship with someone does not imply any sort of ownership over your partner.
A lot of people ask me how I could possibly love (romantically) more than one person. The best analogy I can use to explain it is that it's not so different from how most people can love both their parents, or all their siblings, or have platonic love for more than one very close friend. Nearly everyone is capable of loving more than one person, but for whatever reason, that ability doesn't seem to extend to romantic love for most people.
I have two romantic partners. One is my partner of nearly 14 years, to whom I'm civilly partnered and who I live with. The other is a young man I've been with for about four years now. I love them both, though I love them in very different ways, and for very different reasons. They're very different people and they play very different roles in my life. There's no lying, no dishonesty, no going behind anyone's back. Everyone involved is fully informed of the situation and consents fully to it. My partner also has another lover. While neither of us are involved with each other's "secondary partners" (I don't like that term but I can't think of a better one right now) romantically, we're all good friends and get along well with one another. We're all very happy together. There's no jealousy or back-stabbing or anything like that.
A lot of people don't understand how this sort of relationship could possibly work, and I get told all the time that it will all blow up in my face one day, but it's been over four years and counting since this arrangement began, and things have only gotten better with time as we've all had time to figure out what works and what doesn't and work out the kinks.
I'd say the most important part of a poly relationship is honesty and communication with all involved parties (well, honesty and communication are key in any healthy relationship, but it goes doubly true the more people are involved). That, and of course that everyone involved is comfortable with the situation and has the personality type to be wired to thrive in such a situation.
I don't really expect most people to understand or condone poly relationships, because the idea that people could actually be happy in this sort of situation is an alien idea to most people, and that's okay. It's my relationship and my life, and I don't need approval and a pat on the head from others to be happy and fulfilled. And I certainly don't expect most people to jump on the poly bandwagon. The fact is simply that most people couldn't deal with a poly relationship, and I can't possibly look down on them for that.
I am happy to discuss the matter and answer any questions and correct any misconceptions, provided we can all agree to be civil and keep a general attitude of mutual respect. I realise that poly relationships are an oddity and a curiosity for a lot of people, and I'm more than happy to try to educate and help broaden understanding. So if you have any questions for a real live practising polyamorist, I'm more than happy to answer them. smile
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:29 pm
I just get the feeling that it isn't right.
The Bible says man and wife not man and wife and wife and wife and another wife. Vice versa.
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:28 pm
A-B0T If polygamy were highly accepted in the majority of the world right now imagine just how much worse our population problems would be? It's already bad enough considering the death rates are going down while the birth rates are going up. The world couldn't sustain us if all the average man had several wives. I don't understand why the population problems would be any different. There would still be the same number of women having the same number of children, there would just be less men being fathers.
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