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 Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:57 pm
rmcdra Golden Black Tea Is God's will laid out in a thread of events? Or does it work like a sphere where I can be anywhere and God will just do things that will makes sure I do what I need to do? I can travel anywhere in that sphere, but God will not just say, "Oops, lost him. Now I'm doing diddly squat with him." I kinda see it as a choose your own adventure story. The story line adjusts as you choose the events in the story. But wouldn't that imply that God's will is subject to your decisions? I'm not sure if this sounds like the all powerful and sovereign God most of us are told to behold. I know that we get to make choices for ourselves, but I wonder how that works in God's plan.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:06 pm
frog_mage Golden Black Tea glitterboypilot Golden Black Tea Is God's will laid out in a thread of events? Or does it work like a sphere where I can be anywhere and God will just do things that will makes sure I do what I need to do? I can travel anywhere in that sphere, but God will not just say, "Oops, lost him. Now I'm doing diddly squat with him." B, though, I also believe you have freedom of choice to say, no, to God Right, but in the end doesn't God still get His way? Consider Jonah. He ran harder than most I think. But in the end God still had His way. You haven't really played with an adventure book.... It is a book, [no really?] where you hear a scene and you choose an outcome based on a number of options The monkey stole the banana from Mr Applebee's hands and took off running What do you do Go after monkey turn to page 234 confort Mr. Appleton turn to page 34 Laugh turn to page 3 draw out the BFG-9000 and blast the monkey away, turn to page.... no what just close the book now your in the wrong universe, In the same concept, this is how I think God knows all the outcomes and thous stays in control of your life, but at the same time grants Freewill Haha surprised Yes yes, I remember those books. I don't recall the BFG-9000 though. smile That's a pretty good example. As the reader you are given options, but the author sets perimeters so that you are still under His bubble of influence. I like that.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:42 pm
Golden Black Tea frog_mage Golden Black Tea glitterboypilot Golden Black Tea Is God's will laid out in a thread of events? Or does it work like a sphere where I can be anywhere and God will just do things that will makes sure I do what I need to do? I can travel anywhere in that sphere, but God will not just say, "Oops, lost him. Now I'm doing diddly squat with him." B, though, I also believe you have freedom of choice to say, no, to God Right, but in the end doesn't God still get His way? Consider Jonah. He ran harder than most I think. But in the end God still had His way. You haven't really played with an adventure book.... It is a book, [no really?] where you hear a scene and you choose an outcome based on a number of options The monkey stole the banana from Mr Applebee's hands and took off running What do you do Go after monkey turn to page 234 confort Mr. Appleton turn to page 34 Laugh turn to page 3 draw out the BFG-9000 and blast the monkey away, turn to page.... no what just close the book now your in the wrong universe, In the same concept, this is how I think God knows all the outcomes and thous stays in control of your life, but at the same time grants Freewill Haha surprised Yes yes, I remember those books. I don't recall the BFG-9000 though. smile That's a pretty good example. As the reader you are given options, but the author sets perimeters so that you are still under His bubble of influence. I like that. The BFG is the strongest weapon in the DOOM video games.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:40 pm
Golden Black Tea rmcdra Golden Black Tea Is God's will laid out in a thread of events? Or does it work like a sphere where I can be anywhere and God will just do things that will makes sure I do what I need to do? I can travel anywhere in that sphere, but God will not just say, "Oops, lost him. Now I'm doing diddly squat with him." I kinda see it as a choose your own adventure story. The story line adjusts as you choose the events in the story. But wouldn't that imply that God's will is subject to your decisions? I'm not sure if this sounds like the all powerful and sovereign God most of us are told to behold. I know that we get to make choices for ourselves, but I wonder how that works in God's plan. Words must not be my forte today. I meant to convey what frog_mage had said.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:34 pm
What if the bones of Jesus were found, and they could be undeniably proven to be the bones of Jesus? Could you still be a Christian?
Hmm. Most likely. Frankly, it's terrifying to think that matter can suddenly "warp" into an alternate dimension, if that is indeed what "ascension" implies burning_eyes . In fact, I wonder how the whole resurrection thing will work if God destroys the Universe as we know it and creates (from scratch I presume) a new heaven and earth. Then are we made of new "atoms"--if we can even call them that still--that are subject to new rules of engagement? So, it would not be inconsistent per se theologically if we are resurrected into incorruptible new bodies (made of new "molecules") since we already assume that we are innately corruptible as we are. And we do know Jesus was human, and the flesh can't inherit the kingdom (unless by flesh they mean sinfulness, in which case I don't know what to belieeeeveeeee gonk )
What if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus had a family of His own? How would that impact what you believe?
Being raised Jewish and ushering in Christianity I'm sure he would have married her. And we're all brides anyway. It's crazy thinking as the Church you're suddenly married to Christ, but it makes sense. Marriage = commitment, devotion, love. I wonder...are we then like..."married" to long time friends, siblings, and others for whom we'd bend over backwards to protect and care for? hmmmm I'd probably find his descendants and chill with them and makes jokes like :So, there's a little bt of Jesus in all of us. (Though, if you had the holy spirit that'd be true anyway, but let's suspend logic for a moment to laugh wink )
If Jesus wasn't born of a virgin, and if it was proven that the miracles in the Bible were somewhat exaggerated, how would your faith be affected?
Ahh the not born the virgin one!. It makes me think of the story where Jesus finds a coin in the fish. I debated with someone about it because I was like: "Did God just create a fish, then and there, for the sole purpose of providing the money?" And my friend debated that "God just creates circumstances that meet up at the right time and place. The fish always existed--it was born as a fish and lived as a fish--and then God put together a scenario where it acquired a coin and then andother scenario that lead it to Christ at the right time and place"
Essentially, he argues God finagles [sp?] all the minute details to make stuff happen. That what makes a miracle a miracle isn't that God is breaking the natural laws he set in place but that He makes something with a near 0 (since absolute zero doesn't exist in my friend's worldview) probabilty happen. I conceded to his argument. In that vein, it would be reassuring to know Jesus had all 46 chromosones (I can't imagine something with only 23....that freaks me out!) How that happened, I don't know. We know he wasn't Joseph's baby since he wanted a divorce, and Mary contests she had no relations with any other man. If there was an earthly man involved, it explains his humanity, but doesn't deny his divinity nor the big claims he made of being with God, and being the Truth and Way, and all that. And that is more important than anything. Besides, the Jews never said anyhting about their Messiah having to be born a virgin did they? Didn't they expect the Messiah to be a naturally born Jew creating an earthly Jewish kindgom?
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:30 pm
I don't know if this would be earthshaking, christianity in question... kind of question, but The shroud of turin, could it not be christ? and if not, then how else would such an image appear on the cloth?
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