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omg we use da same thing !11

One thing that helps if I use liquid, is to do what Alyssa does. I go from middle to outside corner, and then middle to inside corner. If I put any on bottom it's just from the outside corner of my eye out to where ever I ended the top line. Kind of like how anime eyes are? I second the eyeshadow on the waterline thing. It took me forever (ok like all of highschool) to finally stop putting eyeliner on my bottom rims because I was convinced I looked awful otherwise. But now, I find the best way for me to look more awake than I am (the point of me doing makeup, lawl) is to do a really thin cateye, stick to shimmery light shadows and mascara only on the top lashes. I notice putting eyeliner and mascara on the whole eye really closes it up and makes my eyes look smaller than they are.

ALSO FOR REAL, TRY GEL.

the only problem i have with this s**t is the obvious gap between my lashes and the liner that I can never get rid of.

Soooo pencil it is.

I solve this by dabbing the gap with the tip of the eyeliner. I always have a gap when I am done and I just fill in the blanks with a few quick dabs.