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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:54 am


So, I'm arguing with someone on deviantart who thinks that if you were born in America, you can't be any ethnic race other than "American" (which is ignorant because American isn't even a race), and that if you were born and raised in America, regardless of if you were taught within the family (for example, a child born to Chinese parents in Chinatown in San Francisco), you were raised completely on American culture and aren't ethnically what your parents are at all.

So, my question is, what do you guys think? Do people who are born from immigrant parents have the right to say they are ethnically whatever their parents are, assuming their parents aren't mixed?

Because apparently, this guy is saying that I can't call myself Vietnamese (not even ethnically), even though I'm ethnically Vietnamese, was exposed to Vietnamese culture first before I was exposed to American culture (even though I was born and raised in the US, I was still raised in a Vietnamese home environment where I learned a lot about my family's culture, plus there are Vietnamese communities in southern California), and that Asians living in America calling themselves Asians are "frauds". :/

If anyone's curious, here's the comment, and the string of comments of his, that sparked this. If you have a deviantart, please don't reply to him.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:28 am


Well, one's passport determines their nationality pretty much, but people can belong to a lot of different ethnic groups. I know a lot of people who are "ethnically mixed", and belong to three or more groups. Although generally labeling people as belonging to one group or another can lead to stereotyping, but people should be able to identify themselves as belonging to a group ethnically, if they want to.
As long as everyone knows that "I'm Asian" is referring to ethnicity, and not nationality, I don't see what's wrong with calling yourself that.
"Culture" doesn't need to have much to do with ethnicity either.
Like, even before my Japanese immersion, I never got into most American movies and music (I couldn't care less about most American pop culture, and am perfectly happy not knowing the names of movie stars, and current TV shows) , and now I only watch Japanese media, but I'm still American, and half hispanic ethnically, though I look white.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:38 pm


Yeah, that guy seems like a nut with an axe to grind.

Also, fun fact, there is only one race of human being. Race, in regards to humans, has no biological basis. It's a cultural construct. So yea, American isn't a race, but neither is Hispanic or Chinese. They're ethnicities, not races.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:48 am


Whoever this guy is, he's quite ignorant.

Nationality is the country one is a citizen of. Ethnicity is the race/culture one comes from. For instance, my nationality is American, but my ethnicity is Central/Northern European. The only people who can claim to be ethnically American are people with Native American ancestry. I may like peanut butter and think in inches and fahrenheit, but that doesn't make my ethnicity American.

In short, I totally agree with you on this point.

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