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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:52 pm

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I hate never knowing the name of what I'm looking for. It makes it so much harder to learn.

This guy was...something else. He seemed like a crack pot but everything makes sense in one way or another.

John Dee was brilliant. It's amazing that he let Edward Kelley dupe him into wife swapping. I'm convinced that's what it was too and not the desire of angels. Kelley was as a bit of a scoundrel.

Wife swapping? They actually did that?

That's the story. It also seemed to be the point where John Dee started to fall from grace. If only he'd learned to scry for himself.

Wait...why did they switch wives? Did he not like the one he had?

Dee was working with Kelley during the angelic operations that resulted in the Enochian system of magic. Dee was the magician and Kelley was the seer, that meaning that Dee did all the magical work to get the angels to communicate and Kelley acted as the intermediary between the angels and Dee. As such, Dee had to rely on Kelley and trust that what he was saying was actually what the angels said.

It should have been suspect when the angels commanded Dee and Kelley to swap wives. I have a feeling that Kelley was just being a scoundrel. All of this seemed to hit Dee hard and his life is quite sad from that point on.

It might be easier if you just read the related Wikipedia pages for an overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian

It's really quite interesting.

The moral of the story is that you should do your own scrying. xd

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:59 pm

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I hate never knowing the name of what I'm looking for. It makes it so much harder to learn.

This guy was...something else. He seemed like a crack pot but everything makes sense in one way or another.

John Dee was brilliant. It's amazing that he let Edward Kelley dupe him into wife swapping. I'm convinced that's what it was too and not the desire of angels. Kelley was as a bit of a scoundrel.

Wife swapping? They actually did that?

That's the story. It also seemed to be the point where John Dee started to fall from grace. If only he'd learned to scry for himself.

Wait...why did they switch wives? Did he not like the one he had?

Dee was working with Kelley during the angelic operations that resulted in the Enochian system of magic. Dee was the magician and Kelley was the seer, that meaning that Dee did all the magical work to get the angels to communicate and Kelley acted as the intermediary between the angels and Dee. As such, Dee had to rely on Kelley and trust that what he was saying was actually what the angels said.

It should have been suspect when the angels commanded Dee and Kelley to swap wives. I have a feeling that Kelley was just being a scoundrel. All of this seemed to hit Dee hard and his life is quite sad from that point on.

It might be easier if you just read the related Wikipedia pages for an overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian

It's really quite interesting.

The moral of the story is that you should do your own scrying. xd

I'm sure there are other morals to be learned here. Pick your friends better. Never involve your wife. Don't trust an angel. Don't listen to a supposed seer.

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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:16 pm

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Wife swapping? They actually did that?

That's the story. It also seemed to be the point where John Dee started to fall from grace. If only he'd learned to scry for himself.

Wait...why did they switch wives? Did he not like the one he had?

Dee was working with Kelley during the angelic operations that resulted in the Enochian system of magic. Dee was the magician and Kelley was the seer, that meaning that Dee did all the magical work to get the angels to communicate and Kelley acted as the intermediary between the angels and Dee. As such, Dee had to rely on Kelley and trust that what he was saying was actually what the angels said.

It should have been suspect when the angels commanded Dee and Kelley to swap wives. I have a feeling that Kelley was just being a scoundrel. All of this seemed to hit Dee hard and his life is quite sad from that point on.

It might be easier if you just read the related Wikipedia pages for an overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian

It's really quite interesting.

The moral of the story is that you should do your own scrying. xd

I'm sure there are other morals to be learned here. Pick your friends better. Never involve your wife. Don't trust an angel. Don't listen to a supposed seer.

Pick your friends better is one, involving your wife may actually be a good idea in some forms of magic, trusting an angel wouldn't be a problem as long as the angel was established as trustworthy, and ditto with the seer.

But most of this could have probably been avoided if John Dee had just set about to learn how to scry on his own. I think it speaks to how credulous (or maybe just obsessed) he was that he would accept the word of angels communicated through someone else when he had no way of verifying anything himself.

He was still a brilliant man with a lasting legacy though.

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:35 am

i forgot about this cuz it never told me when i would get replies XD

i found more interesting links but these are better links than the previous ones anyhow

http://twm.co.nz/dowsing_jse_com.html about dowsing and how sri lanka hired them because they were much more accurate than the scientists to find underground water, and they had more than twice the accuracy and in another link i read about this they also did it in significantly less time, like 3 days compared to 2 months for the scientists or something like that.
http://media.noetic.org/uploads/files/Gut_feelings_intuition_and_emotions_An_exploratory_study.pdf about how people can be influenced by each other when physically seperated
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_21_2_mason.pdf about random number generators with group meditations affecting them significantly.

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:44 pm

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Wife swapping? They actually did that?

That's the story. It also seemed to be the point where John Dee started to fall from grace. If only he'd learned to scry for himself.

Wait...why did they switch wives? Did he not like the one he had?

Dee was working with Kelley during the angelic operations that resulted in the Enochian system of magic. Dee was the magician and Kelley was the seer, that meaning that Dee did all the magical work to get the angels to communicate and Kelley acted as the intermediary between the angels and Dee. As such, Dee had to rely on Kelley and trust that what he was saying was actually what the angels said.

It should have been suspect when the angels commanded Dee and Kelley to swap wives. I have a feeling that Kelley was just being a scoundrel. All of this seemed to hit Dee hard and his life is quite sad from that point on.

It might be easier if you just read the related Wikipedia pages for an overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian

It's really quite interesting.

The moral of the story is that you should do your own scrying. xd

I'm sure there are other morals to be learned here. Pick your friends better. Never involve your wife. Don't trust an angel. Don't listen to a supposed seer.

Pick your friends better is one, involving your wife may actually be a good idea in some forms of magic, trusting an angel wouldn't be a problem as long as the angel was established as trustworthy, and ditto with the seer.

But most of this could have probably been avoided if John Dee had just set about to learn how to scry on his own. I think it speaks to how credulous (or maybe just obsessed) he was that he would accept the word of angels communicated through someone else when he had no way of verifying anything himself.

He was still a brilliant man with a lasting legacy though.

Could of been a demon for all we know. XD

Legacy is right.

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