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 Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:08 pm
So back after I left there was a rule that had been placed that basically was if anything was invented it had to be approved by council. Normally, I would agree with this if a person was not to be trusted but then I thought about it, why is someone a captain if they are not to be trusted, why is a LT an LT and so on. I feel that this rule is not needed. I don't believe that the current Captain, Nightbringer, myself or any future captain of Squad 12 will do anything that would be unfair or unjust to the guild. The only thing I would keep out of that rule is that there should be a typed copy of the new invention in a thread saying what it does, who its limited to and some of its downfalls. I just don't think that every invention that is submitted needs to first go through council if the people of Squad 12 are trustworthy (Mainly the LT and Captain) There will obviously be restrictions on lower ranking officers (lower then LT) but as I have seen Nightbringer won't be making any god mod items and for most of you know, I always make an item to tell a story not to win at a spar or rp. Here is the link to the original thread- http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=20320917So voting is open.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:21 pm
I whole heartedly agree with you here. You took the words right out of my mouth. My vote here is a yes.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:32 pm
Nightbringer Duskcrawler I whole heartedly agree with you here. You took the words right out of my mouth. My vote here is a yes.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:42 pm
Yeah, I tried his system the way that Roka had it, it didn't really work. I sent in an idea to Nightbringer and yeah, the Applaction is long and ridiculous. I vote to take it down. I do agree that their does need to be a log about what is made though.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:57 pm
I agree with all those reasons. The method he had wasnt a good one. My vote is yes.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:05 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:59 pm
I have a suggestion on this sort of thing. (just an organized version idea for the rule book) Inventions related to rooms, furniture, secret doors, and knickknacks that are not battle related do not require council approval, however if made by a member of Squad 12 under Vice-Captain it requires approval from the current Captain of Squad 12, or if the Captain is unavailable it requires approval from both Vice-Captains of Squad 12, or the Captain of Squad 1(Captain of Guild). Inventions related to battle, such as weapons, armor, etc, require (if submitted by a member of Squad 12 under Vice-Captain) the approval of the Captain of Squad 12, or if the Captain is unavailable it requires approval from both Vice-Captains of Squad 12, or the Captain of Squad 1(Captain of Guild), before being submitted to the Council for Approval. If submitted by the Captain or Vice-Captain(s) of Squad 12 it will immediately be taken into Council for Approval. All inventions will be logged within a topic of Squad 12, and a Copy Version kept up by the current Captain of Squad 12 in the Council Subforum. Submission Forum:Quote: Date: (Date Submitted) Creator Name: (Gaia User Name) Character Creator: (SROTS Character Name) Profile: (Link to Profile) Rank: (Characters Rank In Squad 12) -Invention- Item Name: (The Name of the Invention) Item Image: (An Image or Description of Item) Item Creation Purpose: (Weather the Item is for Role Play Use Only or Full Time Use) [Role Play Use Only: This Item is for the use of a Role Play, and Only that Role Play. It will not be used outside of that Role Play, weather in another Role Play or in Common Role Playing outside of the RP Subforum.] [Full Time Use: This Item may be used in any Role Play (Unless Specifically Stated Otherwise by Role Play Creator or Council) or in Common Role Playing outside of the RP Subforum.] (If Role Play Use Only) Role Play Name: (Name of Role Play Item was Created for and Link to Role Play) -Function- (Please state the function, effect, downfalls, and limitations of the Item you are creating, Ex: Lucky Star Fruit- *Doubles that Spiritual Power*A fruit that boosts the Spiritual Power of the individual that consumes it for 10 minutes (10 Posts). However an individual with low Spiritual Power such as ranks 5 and up, may be incapacitated by the fruit after only 5 minutes (5 Posts) from the force of their own Spiritual Power pressing down on them. The draw back of the fruit is that it cuts your original Spiritual Power in half after its effects wear off at 10 minutes (10 Posts) if the individual is not incapacitated by it first.)
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:11 pm
Alright so lets tally up the score
6 Yes's (7 if U Know's opinion counts)
0 Noes
Unless OP's opinion is a vote, it would like the Yes's have it but thats not up to me so I'll just wait until Kage makes the verdict on this.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:41 pm
Yunna, I do not like that Idea for the fact that it is like the system that we are trying to get rid of. Right now, it's too complaticed. Yes it's true that their will need to be some regulation, but that is left to the captain. The rules for inventions will have to be in his squad rules, as I hope that they would be.
As for the verdict on this one, It seems to be pointing yes, but you still need one more vote for the fact that a suggestion is not a vote.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:56 pm
I was about to debate against Yunna on it and I had it posted, but I thought you'd make a point against it, so I edited my post to counting the votes.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:39 pm
Well first off, it’s a yes, and second… my suggestion is actually just a more rule style re-say of what I think U know is getting at. I’ve not changed anything that he’s said.
[Since people keep getting confused with my post here is what it basically says. None battle related inventions will not need to be passed by the council, but will need approval from the captain of squad 12. And battle related inventions will need first the approval of the captain of squad 12 then the council.
This is done to prevent g-modding on the item. And I’m sure we can set some lenience on battle related items that will be passed immediately. Without the need for council approval. Its completely different, (If you actually read it right….)]
[And Night, you said against it, then agreed with it, then set a score up in the same post, and now your sayign against it again....could you please make up your mind on your opinion of my post please. sweatdrop ]
[Edit]
Also the approval of squad 12 captain for none battle related inventions is just to make sure that the item is kept up with.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:46 pm
Sorry, Yunna, I don't mean to be confusing (I really just asked for the post to be ignored), but I just felt I didn't need to debate with you at the moment, but since Kage is not here, I think I'll voice my opinion on the matter.
1.) No invention is to go to Council, whatsoever, period. This is what U Know, myself, and Kage are agreeing upon and want to make happen. Squad 12 business should remain Squad 12 business unless it does concern the Council or the entirety of the Guild, but that implies someone has broken a rule or a complaint has been raised. This point is made explicit by U Know, very well and has been made known to me that the Council is not to get involved unless necessary.
2.) As stated above, the OP said there will be no G-Modding since Squad 12 will keep it regulated as well as keeping Battle-related items to a mininum, since most items that have been thought up involve story and not battle/RPing.
EDIT
3.) The system does not need to be that complicated. Its essentially a watered down version of Kaze's idea, which now that I look it over for the last time, is basically just his idea thats somewhat rehashed. I don't mean to be harsh in anyway, but this is just what we are voting to take down, not rehash the idea Kaze.
The general idea is to keep invented items out of council as much as we can.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:44 am
There was never a need for squad 12's inventions to be voted on in the first place in my opinion. It is the Captain's responsibility what to, and not to, deem suitable for rp and spars.
My vote is a yes here. It should only be voted upon if the Captain feels the need to put it up for a vote.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:23 am
This is passed. The squad 12 rule is removed.
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