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 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:42 am
Jass Thunder, question, I'm getting students coming in that despite my behest won't fully unload their power into a punch, yes, they're relaxing their muscles etc, highly drilled and fairly conditioned with alot of sparring practice, however they still WON'T let go when it comes to drilling due to the amount of years they spent in TKD, at the moment I've got them hitting paper and it is actually helping, though slightly slowly. Any ideas? Hmm... hesitant to unload full power eh? Well, what would be the purpose... are you teaching power punches? or are we talking putting all your weight into every punch? If we are talking putting all weight into one punch, then I would review the footwork with that person/persons. I would make sure they are VERY aware of the weight distribution that goes on in a single punch due to the footwork.... even reiterate it, if they already are familiar with it. When they perform the said technique... I would let them know that they are doing the technique incorrectly, because a certain amount of power is supposed to be generated, which signifies the proper weight distribution. I have conducted entire classes in the past where we did footwork the entire time. Without good footwork, a person can't ppossibly hope to execute good technique. Eventually, they will get the picture, out of want to do the technique correctly.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:25 pm
Thunder Foot Jass Thunder, question, I'm getting students coming in that despite my behest won't fully unload their power into a punch, yes, they're relaxing their muscles etc, highly drilled and fairly conditioned with alot of sparring practice, however they still WON'T let go when it comes to drilling due to the amount of years they spent in TKD, at the moment I've got them hitting paper and it is actually helping, though slightly slowly. Any ideas? Hmm... hesitant to unload full power eh? Well, what would be the purpose... are you teaching power punches? or are we talking putting all your weight into every punch? If we are talking putting all weight into one punch, then I would review the footwork with that person/persons. I would make sure they are VERY aware of the weight distribution that goes on in a single punch due to the footwork.... even reiterate it, if they already are familiar with it. When they perform the said technique... I would let them know that they are doing the technique incorrectly, because a certain amount of power is supposed to be generated, which signifies the proper weight distribution. I have conducted entire classes in the past where we did footwork the entire time. Without good footwork, a person can't ppossibly hope to execute good technique. Eventually, they will get the picture, out of want to do the technique correctly. Hmm, interesting. I've always believed myself to be very meticulate with even the basics, I was considering setting aside a seminar on footwork myself actually as I'm beginning to take it as a given. I'm more concerned with the egotistical aspect, usually I'm given a class full of assholes who constantly they maintain the can TKO me untill I send them away in a stretcher and its making me reluctant to teach. Its continuous power punches I'm bothered about, alot of my students are from a MT/Boxing background and they're all to used to falling into a standardised cadence of handwork and footwork, i.e an almost autonomous pattern of jabs and hooks, so naturally its ridiculously simple to apply interception. At the moment I'M sparring with them, constantly imposing their cadence and dropping them with a punch, suprisingly its actually working alot better then I had hoped.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:46 pm
Wait, you teach? And send out students in a Stretcher. I need to join your place. And laugh at those people.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:58 pm
Mirko_Filipovic Wait, you teach? And send out students in a Stretcher. I need to join your place. And laugh at those people. Yes I teach, and believe me, if you knew me alittle better you'd know it takes a supreme act of assholeness to get me angry, and England is full of supreme assholes.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:34 pm
Man. And i thought only america had Supreme assholes, Guess that's why england kicked us out a while back, eh? lol.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:52 pm
Jass Thunder Foot Jass Thunder, question, I'm getting students coming in that despite my behest won't fully unload their power into a punch, yes, they're relaxing their muscles etc, highly drilled and fairly conditioned with alot of sparring practice, however they still WON'T let go when it comes to drilling due to the amount of years they spent in TKD, at the moment I've got them hitting paper and it is actually helping, though slightly slowly. Any ideas? Hmm... hesitant to unload full power eh? Well, what would be the purpose... are you teaching power punches? or are we talking putting all your weight into every punch? If we are talking putting all weight into one punch, then I would review the footwork with that person/persons. I would make sure they are VERY aware of the weight distribution that goes on in a single punch due to the footwork.... even reiterate it, if they already are familiar with it. When they perform the said technique... I would let them know that they are doing the technique incorrectly, because a certain amount of power is supposed to be generated, which signifies the proper weight distribution. I have conducted entire classes in the past where we did footwork the entire time. Without good footwork, a person can't ppossibly hope to execute good technique. Eventually, they will get the picture, out of want to do the technique correctly. Hmm, interesting. I've always believed myself to be very meticulate with even the basics, I was considering setting aside a seminar on footwork myself actually as I'm beginning to take it as a given. I'm more concerned with the egotistical aspect, usually I'm given a class full of assholes who constantly they maintain the can TKO me untill I send them away in a stretcher and its making me reluctant to teach. Its continuous power punches I'm bothered about, alot of my students are from a MT/Boxing background and they're all to used to falling into a standardised cadence of handwork and footwork, i.e an almost autonomous pattern of jabs and hooks, so naturally its ridiculously simple to apply interception. At the moment I'M sparring with them, constantly imposing their cadence and dropping them with a punch, suprisingly its actually working alot better then I had hoped. Hmm.... intriguing. However, I don't really see how that relates to your students holding back their power. At any rate, if you are experiencing THAT problem, then I would recommend a few rounds of free sparring amongst each other towards the end of class. Hand pick a few of them to go up against you personally (light contact of course), and give them a few techniques to try an implement during the sparring session. If they DO possess that bit of disrespect for you , then they SHOULD hit you harder than asked for. Warn them once, then on the second occurance, light 'em up. After they realize whats going on, explain to them that you are only there to help them to suceed in their training, and that can't take place without honesty, respect, and trust. Its similar to training a dog... you have to shoe them IN THE ACT inorder for it to register. If they still disrespect at that point, I would kick them outta my class. There's no reason for an Instructor to put up with that bullcrap. In reference to the footwork though, yes its VERY important in my book... in fact, I deem it MOST important at times. A seminar might be most beneficial to your class, that way they can realize the importance of footwork, or even reconnect themselves with that same importance. Inosanto has always told me "a novice will block an attack. An expert will avoid it. and a professional will counter it.".
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:06 am
Jass That won't work, they'd just get very tensed up knowing that I would beat them and beat them damn hard, so naturally they'd try to hard, hoping to avoid a beating, which would critically lower their chances of relaxing their muscles and unloading fully. As for the pads they seem...scared almost of retaliation due to the way we use them for drilling. EDIT: Oh, out of curiosity, do you teach your students to sort of, move one arm behind them during a kick like most TKD stylists? Fair enough, I can see what you mean. When we do it we try to get the adrenilin going. Hell no! Preventing people doing windmill impressions is something we try and concentrate on. Again big stick helps (or foam one). When people are doing that we hit them in the head to make them keep their guard tight, some people still dont get it tho... this one student in particular is bloody terrible, despite telling every single time she kicks to keep her hands in, she still without fail throws her hands right out in either direction. Even when sparring... I swear one of these days I'm going to tie her hands together but she's probably just fall over then
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:16 am
Jass Mirko_Filipovic Wait, you teach? And send out students in a Stretcher. I need to join your place. And laugh at those people. Yes I teach, and believe me, if you knew me alittle better you'd know it takes a supreme act of assholeness to get me angry, and England is full of supreme assholes. Hell yeah, but I doubt we have a monopoly on em...
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:14 pm
DarklingGlory Jass That won't work, they'd just get very tensed up knowing that I would beat them and beat them damn hard, so naturally they'd try to hard, hoping to avoid a beating, which would critically lower their chances of relaxing their muscles and unloading fully. As for the pads they seem...scared almost of retaliation due to the way we use them for drilling. EDIT: Oh, out of curiosity, do you teach your students to sort of, move one arm behind them during a kick like most TKD stylists? Fair enough, I can see what you mean. When we do it we try to get the adrenilin going. Hell no! Preventing people doing windmill impressions is something we try and concentrate on. Again big stick helps (or foam one). When people are doing that we hit them in the head to make them keep their guard tight, some people still dont get it tho... this one student in particular is bloody terrible, despite telling every single time she kicks to keep her hands in, she still without fail throws her hands right out in either direction. Even when sparring... I swear one of these days I'm going to tie her hands together but she's probably just fall over then Cool, been wondering alot about that lately, alot of the TKD stylists I've been sparring with seem to do that, claiming it "increases the power and speed" haha. Thunder Foot Jass Thunder Foot Jass Thunder, question, I'm getting students coming in that despite my behest won't fully unload their power into a punch, yes, they're relaxing their muscles etc, highly drilled and fairly conditioned with alot of sparring practice, however they still WON'T let go when it comes to drilling due to the amount of years they spent in TKD, at the moment I've got them hitting paper and it is actually helping, though slightly slowly. Any ideas? Hmm... hesitant to unload full power eh? Well, what would be the purpose... are you teaching power punches? or are we talking putting all your weight into every punch? If we are talking putting all weight into one punch, then I would review the footwork with that person/persons. I would make sure they are VERY aware of the weight distribution that goes on in a single punch due to the footwork.... even reiterate it, if they already are familiar with it. When they perform the said technique... I would let them know that they are doing the technique incorrectly, because a certain amount of power is supposed to be generated, which signifies the proper weight distribution. I have conducted entire classes in the past where we did footwork the entire time. Without good footwork, a person can't ppossibly hope to execute good technique. Eventually, they will get the picture, out of want to do the technique correctly. Hmm, interesting. I've always believed myself to be very meticulate with even the basics, I was considering setting aside a seminar on footwork myself actually as I'm beginning to take it as a given. I'm more concerned with the egotistical aspect, usually I'm given a class full of assholes who constantly they maintain the can TKO me untill I send them away in a stretcher and its making me reluctant to teach. Its continuous power punches I'm bothered about, alot of my students are from a MT/Boxing background and they're all to used to falling into a standardised cadence of handwork and footwork, i.e an almost autonomous pattern of jabs and hooks, so naturally its ridiculously simple to apply interception. At the moment I'M sparring with them, constantly imposing their cadence and dropping them with a punch, suprisingly its actually working alot better then I had hoped. Hmm.... intriguing. However, I don't really see how that relates to your students holding back their power. At any rate, if you are experiencing THAT problem, then I would recommend a few rounds of free sparring amongst each other towards the end of class. Hand pick a few of them to go up against you personally (light contact of course), and give them a few techniques to try an implement during the sparring session. If they DO possess that bit of disrespect for you , then they SHOULD hit you harder than asked for. Warn them once, then on the second occurance, light 'em up. After they realize whats going on, explain to them that you are only there to help them to suceed in their training, and that can't take place without honesty, respect, and trust. Its similar to training a dog... you have to shoe them IN THE ACT inorder for it to register. If they still disrespect at that point, I would kick them outta my class. There's no reason for an Instructor to put up with that bullcrap. In reference to the footwork though, yes its VERY important in my book... in fact, I deem it MOST important at times. A seminar might be most beneficial to your class, that way they can realize the importance of footwork, or even reconnect themselves with that same importance. Inosanto has always told me "a novice will block an attack. An expert will avoid it. and a professional will counter it.". Yeah, I gave a 4 hour seminar on movement/footwork etc. It was a big help thanks, I'm beginning to think such problems are stemming from my inability to teach them what I've learnt purely out of...I don't know...jealousy?...><
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:29 am
Jass DarklingGlory Jass That won't work, they'd just get very tensed up knowing that I would beat them and beat them damn hard, so naturally they'd try to hard, hoping to avoid a beating, which would critically lower their chances of relaxing their muscles and unloading fully. As for the pads they seem...scared almost of retaliation due to the way we use them for drilling. EDIT: Oh, out of curiosity, do you teach your students to sort of, move one arm behind them during a kick like most TKD stylists? Fair enough, I can see what you mean. When we do it we try to get the adrenilin going. Hell no! Preventing people doing windmill impressions is something we try and concentrate on. Again big stick helps (or foam one). When people are doing that we hit them in the head to make them keep their guard tight, some people still dont get it tho... this one student in particular is bloody terrible, despite telling every single time she kicks to keep her hands in, she still without fail throws her hands right out in either direction. Even when sparring... I swear one of these days I'm going to tie her hands together but she's probably just fall over then Cool, been wondering alot about that lately, alot of the TKD stylists I've been sparring with seem to do that, claiming it "increases the power and speed" haha. well it might increase the speed and power of when you get smacked in the face because your guard is way open. Hope you taught em the error of their ways wink
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