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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:35 am


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Rmc, thank you for the links. I'll save them for when I'm more awake. There are scrolls held within the Vatican and those are the ones I want to read. Many of the stories within our bibles came from those scrolls, or so I've been told. If only I had the time, energy, and some assurance that I could someday read those scrolls I would be delighted to learn whatever languages are required as well as the history of those languages to better understand terms used on the scrolls.
No problem. Well that might be true but I don't know. I mean most of Catholic Christian history has been deemed confessional at best. (it's mythic and meant to shape a particular common group identity and foster an ideal for a community and individual to strive to become.) All cultures have confessional history that is taught to people at an early age so it's not anything insidious, just part of normal social dynamics. If you are really interested in the early stuff or the materials not included in canon that shaped Christian tradition directly or indirectly I can provide you with some more links.

Early Jewish Writings
Early Christian Writings
Nag Hammadi Library (Do note some of these translations are out of date but they give a good starting point. You can order new translations from your local library).
Just to point out the obvious, there is a lot there. Have fun.

Some points of interest:
"Life of Adam and Eve" is where we get most of the Fall of Satan mythos from and is almost verbatim the Christian interpretation of the Fall.
"2 Enoch" is where most of Christian's Angelogy comes from.
"On the Origin of the World" is an alternative Creation mythos that some Gentile Christians held to.

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As for what I'd do with it, I'd read and learn of course. Then attempt to share what I learn with others, just as so many others have. I know I wouldn't be the first to walk such a path, but that doesn't matter. And, of course, I certainly wouldn't hope to be the last to do so. For me a large part of the point in learning is being able to share the knowledge with others and help them to learn as well, in return I often find I learn more by teaching than I did when studying because not only do I better memorize what I already know I also learn allot about my peers and fellow scholars.
Sound noble but I do want to point out reading religious texts is quite different from reading a legal document or a history book. Culture and time period are two big things that have to be kept in mind. As I pointed out early there are expressions that get lost in translation and lost to time. "The fishmonger had lots of female workers" means something completely different to someone from 15th century England than it does to us today and that's just in English. The big languages to study for the primary material is Hebrew and Koine Greek. For the lesser known stuff other languages will be necessary and it's tedious I hear. Each text of the Nag Hammadi Library is written in a unique Coptic dialect meaning even if you learn Coptic for one text, you'd have to learn another Coptic dialect to translate or read another Nag Hammadi Scripture. This is just some warning and heads up what ahead, especially if you are wanting to read these texts in their original language.

I'll tell you right now, I do not know any other language other than English and a little bit of Spanish.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:31 am


Yeah, I myself have several books that are translated renditions of many "lost" and non-canonical books. I started collecting with the grand intention of learning what they truly meant to the people of their time. I have dictionaries, encyclopedias, commentaries, concordances, and internet to boot, and I haven't even scratched the surface. sweatdrop

I don't know enough of any other language but English to do me any good anywhere, and even if I did, the time/culture barrier would still be enough of a challenge that I would have issues understanding what I was reading without other reference material.

Now I just focus on certain subjects at a time, mostly the first 5 of the OT and the non-canonicals that relate those stories from other viewpoints, or add detail that is left out of the Bible.

You might find it worth it to find what you heart and interest is most drawn to within the Christian mythos, and start your research on that subject with the materials already available to you. I think you will find it very satisfying, and rewarding to do so.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:32 pm


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Yeah, I myself have several books that are translated renditions of many "lost" and non-canonical books. I started collecting with the grand intention of learning what they truly meant to the people of their time. I have dictionaries, encyclopedias, commentaries, concordances, and internet to boot, and I haven't even scratched the surface. sweatdrop

I don't know enough of any other language but English to do me any good anywhere, and even if I did, the time/culture barrier would still be enough of a challenge that I would have issues understanding what I was reading without other reference material.

Now I just focus on certain subjects at a time, mostly the first 5 of the OT and the non-canonicals that relate those stories from other viewpoints, or add detail that is left out of the Bible.

You might find it worth it to find what you heart and interest is most drawn to within the Christian mythos, and start your research on that subject with the materials already available to you. I think you will find it very satisfying, and rewarding to do so.

Well it sure sounds like somebody got ahold of the apocrypha lol
If you're interested in talking about the context, I can help you out at least a little bit, I'm a bible nut as it is. But the Apocrypha is a series of writings written out after the post exilic period before the birth of christ, or essentially between 400BC and when jesus came back. Though the book of enoch if you've found it isn't actually one of the books there. it came from a manuscript found and lost at oxford dated to some time around 200 AD if i remember right, but I can get you an article on that from my school's database (gotta love college benefits biggrin ) Though I'm getting around to reading them, they were left out of the cannon of scripture for a reason. That I'd love to discuss further
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:53 pm


Yeah... Enoch particularly was left out because of the argument that angels, being spiritual should not be able to cohabit physically with women... there was a particularly defined line between the argument of whether it could happen or not. LOL

There is also the bit about creation being formed from something already existing... most would have it that there was supposedly nothing before God snapped His fingers. burning_eyes

I love my library, and would happily share my thoughts on what I study with anyone interested. My library isn't limited to apocrypha though, I also have apologetics, early church figures' (non-Biblical characters) letters, and texts of other religions.

I also love me some secular history dealing with Church related events. LOL

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