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 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:37 pm
All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder.
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:33 am
ammaea Azkeel King Jelubi ammaea Why put a label on it? :S Why not be spiritual yourself... do what you think is right - which may be what a ton of other think is right too (be good to your neighbour, yatta yatta) If you do something you feel was wrong and you regret - say sorry as best you can, try to fix whatever problem, if you can't then move on and try not to do such things in the future... *shrug* I don't see why spirituality has to be labeled and followed a certain specific way.. or giving money to churches or being forced to go to church every single sunday or whatever (obviously I'm generalizing)... I think 'choosing' the correct 'path' is a personal choice... not one to be made by a group or congregation or just most specifically someone else other than yourself. To me, following 'exact' rules is debilitating and a crutch and stops learning... This was the best response yet 3nodding If you like a dangerous response. Do what you feel is right? Then who are we to tell murders they are wrong when they feel they are in the right? Yes I'll go to an extreme. And this is a truther guild so we can safely agree that there is an elite that belive they are better then us. So they are right because they belive it? If anything the bible is a book to freedom. If you read it with a spiritual understanding you are able to realize the difference between the flesh and the spirit. It actually frees you from the flesh. If you don't belive it's a book of prophecy then why are you fighting against the RFID chip? Those that belive have a real excuse not to get it. It's against our faith and if we get it we are accepting destruction. If you're not a beliver why would you be against it? Privacy reasons? Now they can use something against you. If you have nothing to hide why do you not want the chip? (Then label you a "Terrorist" for not wanting your life exposed) At least beliver's in the bible will go down with faith. Are you going to not take the chip even if they threaten death? I don't know how this is a 'dangerous' response... I think it's more dangerous to force everyone into ONE religion and ONE way of life and to group others as TERRORISTS for believing something different. And the RFID chip is not limited only to not wanting it for religious reasons, and not wanting it because of wanting to 'hide' something... There are many reasons to not want it.. being labeled as a terrorist for any reason for refusing the chip is unacceptable. >< You don't have to read a book to realize the harm that a chip inside you could be used for, whether by the people installing it - or by real terrorists who hack it or use it against its purpose.,. In NO way would I say that a murderer is in the right, even if they believe it so. OBVIOUSLY there are limitations everyone must abide by no matter what beliefs they have. Harming others is something everyone should strive NOT to do. There are many things that people are labeled as terrorists for - and many of these are just ridiculous!! All this mainstream talk of terrorists, homeland security, and just bullshit in tv and movies that makes it all seem okay that it's happening...... all in the name of 'security' and whatever... so lame. I just go by my own experience... and there are MANY things in MANY religions that I agree with, but many I don't agree with ---- why should I be refused entry to a 'church' group because I don't believe the EXACT things they do. It's discrimination in my opinion.. I prefer to learn on my own and not to have to confess and repent to someone other than myself. I have faith in myself and faith in humanity as a whole - but not if they're all led by the same being and made to follow the same things. Where is the benefit of that?? Well I'm not in a congregation that would be capable of keeping people out. If anything I would accept others of other religion and creeds simply to debate. I have a pretty good idea of most religious and philosophical workings as well as I used to be Athiest.
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:43 pm
Thanks everybody! You all gave excellent responses, and I appreciate your time. smile I suppose I will just float along more along the agnostic boat until I find myself settled nicely into a solid box and without a doubt believe it wholeheartedly. Until then I plan to follow Michael's advice: Michael Noire cover your bases: find yourself a nice solid philosophy with some austerities, charity, and good will toward human beings, respect your position as a steward over the animals and the earth, and defend what you cherish as right and worthy. Experience life and show courage, and find something worth dying for - only then have you truly lived. While I am already pretty much following this, it seems like the perfect thing to live by. I am starting up an animal advocacy group since there isn't one in at least a 50 mile radius of where I live. I'm vegan because I believe animals have the right not to suffer or be exploited by humans, and I plan to up my activism(no im not a petaphile, lol). So yeah. Perhaps with time I will believe in something wholeheartedly, but I suppose that won't happen without time.
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:55 pm
Sakakikala Thanks everybody! You all gave excellent responses, and I appreciate your time. smile I suppose I will just float along more along the agnostic boat until I find myself settled nicely into a solid box and without a doubt believe it wholeheartedly. Until then I plan to follow Michael's advice: Michael Noire cover your bases: find yourself a nice solid philosophy with some austerities, charity, and good will toward human beings, respect your position as a steward over the animals and the earth, and defend what you cherish as right and worthy. Experience life and show courage, and find something worth dying for - only then have you truly lived. While I am already pretty much following this, it seems like the perfect thing to live by. I am starting up an animal advocacy group since there isn't one in at least a 50 mile radius of where I live. I'm vegan because I believe animals have the right not to suffer or be exploited by humans, and I plan to up my activism(no im not a petaphile, lol). So yeah. Perhaps with time I will believe in something wholeheartedly, but I suppose that won't happen without time. Time is most definitely something I fight with. I have to keep telling myself over and over that nothing can be changed overnight.... unfortunately I am set back on a lot of changes I want to make because of lack of money, and lack of a husband who agrees on everything (who would want that anyway).... but in time, if I keep fighting for what I want, I WILL reap the benefits - I must be patient though..... it takes time to grow. and not everyone grows at the same speed... This really was a great thread. Thank you Sakakikala... I do find myself questioning spirituality and different 'religions' more and more as time goes by as well.. and I see all the connections between a pure body and heart and then also the light and energy inside us and inside everything...... sometimes it all makes sense, but then - the feeling dissipates.. how does one keep that feeling? how does one feel that way about one single religion? is it possible? or is it hindering as I said in a previous post... I do prefer to pull in ideas and ways to live by from many and make my own decisions... hm. but I guess it sure is easier to just follow along with what someone else already 'figured out'~ that'd give one more time to focus on other things in life~ hmm.... can we have it all?~~
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:58 pm
Religion is really only there to help you reach spiritual wellness. You must find the truth through your mind. It lies within at the core of your conscious.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:02 pm
Hoshioni hey even the bible says theres a time to kill yet murder is different i wonder why To slay is a shameful act of good, to murder is a shameless act of evil? XD Might be because murder is used for killing someone for one's own benefit and slaying/conquering is used for killing someone for multiple people's benefit. All in all, it comes down to the "Kill one, save a thousand" concept. Other than that, it was only just to kill/murder when God accepted it as the good way. Never the only. Just a good one.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:40 pm
Dalcain Hoshioni hey even the bible says theres a time to kill yet murder is different i wonder why To slay is a shameful act of good, to murder is a shameless act of evil? XD Might be because murder is used for killing someone for one's own benefit and slaying/conquering is used for killing someone for multiple people's benefit. All in all, it comes down to the "Kill one, save a thousand" concept. Other than that, it was only just to kill/murder when God accepted it as the good way. Never the only. Just a good one. i hate when i forget things i like quoting here it is, i think. A time to kill, - heal, - break down, - build up - "The healing art, when out of season used, Pernicious proves, and serves to hasten death. But timely medicines drooping nature raise, And health restore - Now, Justice wields her sword With wholesome rigour, nor the offender spares: But Mercy now is more expedient found. On crazy fabrics ill-timed cost bestow'd No purpose answers, when discretion bids To pull them down, and wait a season fit To build anew."
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:53 am
Well truthfully while you can try to use things in the world around us to discredit both, the only way to find God is by allowing him in, you can't come to him otherwise.
You can mention how they've found an ark-like structure on Mt. Sinai, the levels of volcanic ash around Sodom and Gomorrah, how all the fossils and other things were carried around by the flood, the red ribbon on Jericho's remaining wall, the Dead Sea scrolls, and the fact of how bad things are around us as examples of the bible's truth; those who don't believe will simply try to come back by saying you can disprove this, and then you can try to disprove them, and then they will try to disprove you in some way.
You can't make anyone believe any more then you can make a horse drink from water, though that doesn't mean you don't try to show them why they need God. The only way you, or anyone else will know if god is real is if they open their hearts to him.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:31 pm
But the stale at heart have no crack for which God may enter. They must be made anew in belief and witness the miracle of their own creation.
The life blood of the world is the knowledge that holds both truth and lies. With time on this planet, the two have become inseparable as the pure liquid is drunk to quench thirst.
You may not force a horse to drink, but you can try until it gets the point. XD
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