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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:51 pm


Hey everyone, how are you all? Sorry I haven't been around, been going to college and whatnot.

Anyway, a few weeks ago, I had a converation with a friend of mine, about abortion. I told her I was pro choice, and she was pro life. I'm not going to get into the entire conversation, but she gave me her reasons on why she is pro life. Here are some of the things she said: For one thing, it has a heart, and that heart is beating. Another thing is it never asked to be made, and killing it is selfish, and I think women who have abortions are sluts who are too dumb to deal with the responsibility. You know, women should just keep their legs shut.

Ok, first off, I was thinking that those are all arguments against abortion that are very common: it's murder, it's selfish, keep your legs shut, deal with the responsbility, and so on and so forth. I told her that I believed it was more selfish to make a woman carry a child to term, a child that she never wanted, or couldn't have due to personal, educational, health or financial reasons. I also said something along the lines of: did you know that before abortion was legalized, women were seeking out illegal and dangerous abortions, and many of those women died. Making abortion illegal is not going to stop that. Do you honestly think that even if abortion is illegal, a woman won't find a way to get one?

Her response, "That's why i said keep your legs shut. You don't want a baby, then don't have sex, simple as that."

Unrealistic, in my opinion. One of the arguments for pro life is, "don't want a baby? keep your legs shut." But reality is reality, ladies and gentleman. Both men and women are going to have sex, it's a fact of life.

I then proceeded to ask her about victims of rape and molestation. What about them, and did she think that even a rape victim should be forced to carry it.

Her response, and careful, this just may enrage some of you: If I had the power to do so, and believe me, I would if I could, if any women got pregnant, be it accidental, it wasn't planned, or hell, even if she was raped or molested, I would pass a law that would force her to have that child, cause I truly do believe that that woman should have to deal with the consequences of her actions."

It was then that I proceeded to ask her, "Ok, so, are you saying that the life and health of the women just plain don't matter, and that the baby should be looked upon as a punishment. You're perfectly ok with forcing any woman, hell, even a rape victim, to carry that thing to term, because you want her to deal with the consequences of her actions? Ok, then tell me this: if you had a daughter, and she got pregnant from being raped, would you force your beliefs onto her?

She had nothing to say to that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:44 pm


I would have asked her how forcing a rape victim through a pregnancy is forcing her to "take responsibility." Is she arguing that people deserve to be raped?


On the whole "would you do that to your daughter?" front, obviously she's only addressed the issue in an abstract sense and has never considered the fact that she's talking about real people, real pregnancies, and real families. It's a lot harder to say those things when there's an actual person involved.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:00 pm


At least she's honest? sad

The rape exception idea has never made any sense to me.

"Abortion is murdering a child!"
"What about rape victims?"
"Oh, sure. They can get an abortion because it's not their fault and I wouldn't want them to be even more traumatized."
"So you have a right to murder a child if you were raped?"

That's basically what it boils down to. It's murder, but only if you were a slutty mcslutface and need to take some responsibilty.

PS: Forced pregnancy is traumatic to everyone, not just rape victims.

PSS: A lot of them really would force their raped teenaged daughters to have babies. What do you think parental consent laws are for?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:08 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
At least she's honest? sad

The rape exception idea has never made any sense to me.

"Abortion is murdering a child!"
"What about rape victims?"
"Oh, sure. They can get an abortion because it's not their fault and I wouldn't want them to be even more traumatized."
"So you have a right to murder a child if you were raped?"

That's basically what it boils down to. It's murder, but only if you were a slutty mcslutface and need to take some responsibilty.


Yeah. I was actually having this conversation wit Herald a few days ago. Part of me has to respect them for at least being consistent in their approach, the same part of me that gives more respect to biblical literalists over cafeteria christians. That doesn't mean I find their ideas any less abhorrent or stupid, but they do get a few grudging points for consistency in the face of withering fire, even from their own...

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