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 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:08 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton 1 Corinthians 13 God Emperor Akhenaton 1 Corinthians 13 God Emperor Akhenaton http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH102.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH102_1.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH102_2.html These article are talking about all of Christian, not just everything up to Abraham. And Abraham came before Noah, so the if you are saying that Noah didn't build the ark, your timeline is a little messed up. Here is the problem we are running into here. The vagueness of the Bible. Two of every living creature is hard to come by, especially when some of the world was not even known to exist to the Hebrews yet. They'd gather stuff from the KNOWN world. Why doesn't the Bible emphasize that they only got stuff they knew existed? Well because they didn't know there were anymore animals. I'll be honest, I didn't read the last 3 links because it doesn't seem like your logic is right to me. Seeing that you completely neglected my first link, you should consider conceding. I just said I read the first two. Obviously you are seeing something completely different in the information on that page. Yeah, something like food and habitat being factored in. Something you obviously ignored. Clear you ignored me when I said that it was most probably animals in the known world. It would be a more manageable diet even if there were picky eaters. If you would notice that on the article it is talking about koala bears in that section, which are not native to the middle east.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:17 pm
1 Corinthians 13 God Emperor Akhenaton 1 Corinthians 13 God Emperor Akhenaton 1 Corinthians 13 These article are talking about all of Christian, not just everything up to Abraham. And Abraham came before Noah, so the if you are saying that Noah didn't build the ark, your timeline is a little messed up. Here is the problem we are running into here. The vagueness of the Bible. Two of every living creature is hard to come by, especially when some of the world was not even known to exist to the Hebrews yet. They'd gather stuff from the KNOWN world. Why doesn't the Bible emphasize that they only got stuff they knew existed? Well because they didn't know there were anymore animals. I'll be honest, I didn't read the last 3 links because it doesn't seem like your logic is right to me. Seeing that you completely neglected my first link, you should consider conceding. I just said I read the first two. Obviously you are seeing something completely different in the information on that page. Yeah, something like food and habitat being factored in. Something you obviously ignored. Clear you ignored me when I said that it was most probably animals in the known world. It would be a more manageable diet even if there were picky eaters. If you would notice that on the article it is talking about koala bears in that section, which are not native to the middle east. Quote: Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction. There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that. Of course this is digressing. You are arguing about one aspect of the flood as opposed to the other many flaws.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:23 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton 1 Corinthians 13 God Emperor Akhenaton 1 Corinthians 13 God Emperor Akhenaton Seeing that you completely neglected my first link, you should consider conceding. I just said I read the first two. Obviously you are seeing something completely different in the information on that page. Yeah, something like food and habitat being factored in. Something you obviously ignored. Clear you ignored me when I said that it was most probably animals in the known world. It would be a more manageable diet even if there were picky eaters. If you would notice that on the article it is talking about koala bears in that section, which are not native to the middle east. Quote: Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction. There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that. Of course this is digressing. You are arguing about one aspect of the flood as opposed to the other many flaws. that quote says some creationist, not all. I happen to be one of the people that doesn't believe that, if you can call me a creationist at all. And it took two of us to deviate this far, friend. Besides, I've already answered your first statement sufficiently. Have you read the entire Bible? Out of curiosity I'd like to know.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:06 pm
1 Corinthians 13 Dalcain God = Nature with a human-like form. Everyday is God's curse and His wrath. I must say that in a way I believe this only my formula is a bit different. God= Science Scientist are not really proving that God exists, just how he does things. Why else would we be able to clone sheep? That is something we thought only God could do, well that is true. You are using a power that doesn't belong to you so why haven't we been smited yet for using his power? Well, who says we wont be? It is quite possible that the only part of God that is a complete mystery is his miracles. We haven't found an answer for it yet and I dont suspect we will any time soon. YEEEEEES. That has been my thought about science for years. It is good to see that there are others who consider this.
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:41 pm
YahuShalum God Emperor Akhenaton Prove Christianity is true Here's a deal, prove to me it is not true; I'll prove to you that it is. Prove to me how humans were created.
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:52 pm
the noah ark theory assumes some form of evolution to provide diversification in a number of core species. for example, one master race of horses evolves into all horses, a few sets of birds evolve into several kinds, and so on. Depending on the size of the ark and the time period, it could be plausible - especially if
1. animals evolve into similar animals
2. noah's ark was much further back in history than christians believe
3. mutations provided more diversification in ancient history
4. the ark was considerably larger than a football field
My reading of ancient civilizations tells me the noah's ark/flood event is more likely than not, as there appear to be corollaries in several civilizations and ancient texts besides the hebrew.
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:04 am
KingLeonidas57 YahuShalum God Emperor Akhenaton Prove Christianity is true Here's a deal, prove to me it is not true; I'll prove to you that it is. Prove to me how humans were created. You do realize this is a circular argument? That's the reason I posted that. You prove to me how humans are created. See there you go you can't.
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:53 am
YahuShalum KingLeonidas57 YahuShalum God Emperor Akhenaton Prove Christianity is true Here's a deal, prove to me it is not true; I'll prove to you that it is. Prove to me how humans were created. You do realize this is a circular argument? That's the reason I posted that. You prove to me how humans are created. See there you go you can't. I think his point is that there's much more substantial evidence for it in science, than religion.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:31 am
YahuShalum God Emperor Akhenaton Prove Christianity is true Here's a deal, prove to me it is not true; I'll prove to you that it is. This means there is an impass between theism and atheism. Since there is no proof either way, then that means that we do not know. That may lead one to believe that this means christianity is just as likely as atheism, which is true, but at the same time, christianity is just as likely any other religion existed. What does that mean? It means that religion is a guess. Do we know if there is a god or a heaven and hell? We don't know, but any guess we make virtually has the odds at one in infinity. Are those odds you would gamble with? No
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:34 am
Michael Noire the noah ark theory assumes some form of evolution to provide diversification in a number of core species. for example, one master race of horses evolves into all horses, a few sets of birds evolve into several kinds, and so on. Depending on the size of the ark and the time period, it could be plausible - especially if 1. animals evolve into similar animals 2. noah's ark was much further back in history than christians believe 3. mutations provided more diversification in ancient history 4. the ark was considerably larger than a football field I'm going to leave this here. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html There are so many problems with the flood. Along with that, evolution takes a lot longer than the years you mention to get the results you claim. Quote: My reading of ancient civilizations tells me the noah's ark/flood event is more likely than not, as there appear to be corollaries in several civilizations and ancient texts besides the hebrew. About that http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:36 am
YahuShalum KingLeonidas57 YahuShalum God Emperor Akhenaton Prove Christianity is true Here's a deal, prove to me it is not true; I'll prove to you that it is. Prove to me how humans were created. You do realize this is a circular argument? That's the reason I posted that. You prove to me how humans are created. See there you go you can't. I can http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/momevol.html
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