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Aakosir

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:57 pm


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I've been going to religious Private schools all my life, pretty mcuh, exept Kindergarten at Public School. Let me tell you, Public School is INFINITELY better than Public Schools. The work is so much more challenging and you can actually talk about religion without getting buried in red tape.

And plenty of kids over the years have been atheist or agnostic (especially back in high school) and have gotten by just fine. Actually, eighth grade year I was best friends with a boy who was an agnostic studying under Satanism. Sure, he got in trouble when they caught him reading the Satanic Bible in the Bathroom during a Torah service, but he actually aced Judaics Class because even though he didn't believe in any of it, he was amazing when it came to analyzing texts.

My current school is this huge Jewish microcosm of Atheist Jews, Reform Jews, Conservative Jews, and Orthodox Jews. Kosher Kitchen and vending machine to satisfy all. It is amazing. And despite splitting up into our separate prayer groups, we all get along just great. I'm best friends with this really cool Modern Orthodox guy and a few conservatives. And one other reform and one atheist.
A lot of people expect that one set of ideas is being forced upon us, but that could not be further from the truth. We are constantly engaged in this dialogue and debate about the way things are, especially when it comes to Talmud study, which is just that. And the atheists do just fine at my school as long as they keep their grades up, which requires attention but no belief.


Public schools are better than public schools? XD And if you were going to say private is better than public than I will have to disagree. My high school offered some pretty tough classes. You just had to be a good student to get in to the AP and Honors classes.

I chuckled at the Kosher vending machine =^_^=

But my main question is; What is an Atheist Jew??? I can't figure out how that would work.

If you haven't been to both Private and Public you can't have an educated opinion. When I went to Public school I was bored literally to tears. Mental Health Proffessionals told me to seek private school. Private school has been so much better.

And did you forget that Judaism is a religion AND an ethnicity? So you can be Jewish ethnically but not even believe in G-d. We have quite a bit of that at my school. Minyans and minyans of them. All Jews at my school but some more religious than others in both extremes. They practice Judaism more as a culture.

By the way, in case I forgot to mention, my school does actually teach evolution. I mean, they touch on 7 days' Creation in Bible Study but in Science class and History class it is all Evolution. Homo Habilis to Homo Erectus to Neanderthals and Cro Magnons to us now in the Cenozoic Era. Fascinating stuff, really. Amazing.
But, LOL, my Orthodox friend doesn't believe in it. Neither does this one Orthodox Rabbi at school... but he's quite the character, actually. Notorious for his 'Zhe voman, she belongs in zhe kitchen' old country attitude. Very Orthodox. But he chants torah really well at the gender-separated minyan. And like I said, we just have all kinds of Jews at my school.


My mom teaches at private schools and I get the feedback. There are some kids who are in a lower grade in public because they did not learn enough from the private school to be in the higher grade. There is an academy, called Gerstal, it cost 15k for your kid to go and the music teacher does not teach them the notes. He writes in the notes and only teaches the fingerings. That is not learning music correctly. A friend thought she was going to be held back in public school because the private school taught them nothing about reading. But she's doing great, thanks to mentoring. In private schools the teachers do not need degrees, the advisors don't even need degrees. Hm... I think I know a good bit about private school. Another one my mom is teaching at now, a wacko Christian school, the principal was screaming at a 5 year old, in the hallway, because he would not go to class.

And no, I did not forget Judaism is also a culture. I was just thinking on religious terms.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:05 pm


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Well, compared to your situation, Zakku, we've got it pretty good up here.
I'm not in the Bible Belt, happily, which generally means that the Christians aren't pushy, but they will push back.
I go to private Catholic school--I have for all my life--and I have heard from friends who went to public school how much of a joke it was. Yeah, they really don't care if children are learning as long as their grades look high. The teachers don't put in any effort, etc. etc., and most public-schooled kids I've talked to mentioned how unprepared they were for high school. I had a pretty smooth transition, though.
About the religion--we had classes and they taught us Catholic-biased sex ed. (which is funny, because contrary to what they're teaching, abstinence isn't 100% safe--look at Mary!), but they didn't monitor what we posted on the web or anything. Even in high school, I get the feeling they wouldn't be happy if the Administration knew I was an atheist, as "A personal and active faith in God" is one of their goals. rolleyes


It really depends on the teachers. All of my teachers pushed us to get good grades and challenge ourselves. If I had a teacher that was not encouraging and challenging I did not like them. But I loved most of my teachers. When I had my issues my Honors Human Anatomy teacher was emailing me readings and assignments so I could pass the class. And my Latin teacher kept tabs on me ever since I took his class. He kept an eye on all of his students and did not like the way some of them were going.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:42 pm


I have been to both public and private schools and colleges in my educational episodes. Both public schools and private schools have the right to expect their students to behave in a certain manner while in school or at home, and that includes what they post and don't post on the internet. Its just that the private schools can more closely control the rules and regulations because of their closed charters (rules and regs).

It is strange that the school would kick you and your brother out for just being agnostic and atheistic... Usually there is something more to it than just being someone who questions religion. But then again, I have heard some strange things lately...

IMHO it shouldn't matter what your religion is in the private/religious schools (unless it was an Islamic/Muslem school) for you to attend. There are usually many different religions in the school, or denominations attending the school. For a school to pick one out and say "Na-uh, sorry... You go somewhere else", is a bit odd.

(FYI, I went to a private school that taught kids from many Native American tribes, as well as kids from outside the Native American traditions. I have also attended a Catholic private school, and a Southern Baptist University that was well known to get kicked out of for infringement of campus rules...)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:11 pm


my christian school (to which i transferred) did not have as many drugs or bullies as the public school.

it was not ideal, but i made friends and found some allies among the faculty

and maybe that is all one can ask...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:23 am


I went to a Christian, private school and they had no control over what students put on the Internet. Whatever happened outside of school did not matter to them at all. Also, I had teachers who argued for both side of Creation and Evolution. I think, maybe, you're hastily generalizing this whole thing, but in the same way, I may be too. I think we can't really speak for the whole world but I just wanted to say that my school had no control over what I did.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:02 pm


i am in a catholic school and fully support evolution. in fact Catholics should and do recognize this truth.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:17 pm


chessiejo
my christian school (to which i transferred) did not have as many drugs or bullies as the public school.


Drugs and bullies are an important part of growing up razz
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:27 am


Artto
chessiejo
my christian school (to which i transferred) did not have as many drugs or bullies as the public school.


Drugs and bullies are an important part of growing up razz


because they provide me with training in martial arts and commando skillz?

otherwise they are worse than useless.

i've got a Christmas present just for them:

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