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Volvy, I'm sorry to say that, but Hollow wasn't near being arrogant here... She has the right to say she doesn't see future before metal as a genre.
As much as it may sound that she says this as a metal guru, she is not. She's just saying this because she heard lots of metal and she heard lots of recent metal.

And yes, she never said she didn't like metal anymore... She just hated the fact there wasn't nothing creative recently...

In all - it was personal to the point of her opinion. But never arrogant, if you ask me. Not in this thread.

I can say my opinions in my guild because it is my guild. And I let you say your opinions as well, because there's this thing called freedom of speech and a love for debate that I have.

Now, if you would chill out and read my post again, I wasn't slamming you in anyway, in fact, I was defending my position, my opinion. This is a topic I have considered making a formal thread for an having a debate on, and I figured since I opened the door my my first staement, I might as well allow for a full discussion. Also, I'm not offended on this one, I dont agree with you but I'm not offended. So heated, so upset because I made statements you didn't agree with. Nothing I said I couldn't back with with examples or reasons why. I gave a detailed explanation on how I feel and why I feel ths way. You just got all upset and started throwing around the "I dont care if I get banned" card and the "you get butthurt over everything" card not to mention general disrespect. The person here who is "butthurt" isn't me. It's you.

You can go right ahead and call me arrogant in my thinking, but, truth remains, I gave explanations to how I feel that I FEEL are all true. You gave no counter arguments other than just attacking me. Not a really great strategy to a debate. People can say what they want here, as long as it doesnt resort to personal attacks. And in fact, Digital says he doesnt much care for metal anymore, he's been saying it far longer than I have. Not to mention he's a VC.


I applaud you for your passion and your tenacity, but I disprove of your tactics and your attitude. I said strong statements, I'm not disputing that. I agree with them and I will not take them back, its nothing but an opinion afterall. I never slammed you, and if I dare you were the one who began to be arrogant claiming Digital, Ash, and Myself clearly had not looked far into the genres to know what we were talking about. I never claimed to be a metal guru and I said NOTHING out of arrogance. I was pointing out that I've done my homework and that I wasnt making irrational, unqualified, "arrogant" remarks with no basis. Everything I said, I said because I feel there is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with, but I dont see anything happening in the scene to counter-act said problem. I dont expect everyone to agree with me, but I expcted to get a decent discussion out of it.

AS FOR ME: I feel like you have called me out with one of your last paragraphs and I must make a few things clear. You do not know me. You have never spoken with me. You have never had a REAL conversation with me. You don't know the things that I do for the people around me or how I behave with them. If you get the feeling that I am a spoiled brat with an arrogance complex, I am sorry for you. I guess you dont know the real me. I've worked my butt off in one way or another, so I resent you calling me spoiled and you eluding to the fact I am a conceited, arrogant, selfish person. When I spend most of my life giving so much of myself to other people. Now, if that isnt what you intended, I take it back, but I think that is EXACTLY what you intended.

So, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you feel like I'm this arrogant, spoiled kid. I've given a lot of myself to other people, and I gave too much of myself to this guild and the people in it for too long until I became really resentful of it. Now you may call me arrogant now because I dont agree with everyone like I used to, and I dont back down when I make a strong statement.

Moral of the rant: before you make accusations instead of saying things like "I have spent a long time here....I know you", in all your time here, I cant recall a single conversation that you and I have ever had. Isn't that sad? (maybe not at the rate things are going) I have talked with most of my members one on one for years, but you I dont think Ive ever sent you a pm or recieved one from you. So, I don't beleive you have merit in any of the things you said about my personal character. Maybe if you talked to me once, you would get a different idea of who I am.

HOWEVER: if you have managed to get through my entire post, I will extend this. I havent been doing my part of extending grace, of this I am aware and because of this I will go forth. I am sorry. I am sorry you feel offended, it was never my intent to offend you. I was strongly stating something I feel true and then reacted more harshly when you responded in such anger. I did not want to get into a fight with you and have been doing my best to avoid you as a rule, but clearly in this thread you are upset. I do not recant my opinion, I will never do such a thing, But, I AM sorry that you too such offense to what I said. It was not my intent to offend anyone, and to be frank, I thought more people would agree with the stagnation of metal. I know Grave, Ash, Digi, and I more or less are experiencing the same problem.

I know you do, man, I go to you for everything industrial. Your like my own personal database, it's freaking awesome. We have both put in our time, I would never have promoted you if I didn't think you knew your info. wink

I'm sorry.

I've actually been thinking for the past day or so that I ought to come back on and apologize for blowing up like that. You already took the first step, and I appreciate that.

I maintain my opinion with regard to the music and it's true that you could have been more gracious with some of your statements, but me launching into personal attacks was unwarranted and out of line. In the end we're just talking about different people's tastes in music, and that really isn't something worth getting all worked up about.

So anyway, sorry for that.

This is slightly off-topic too, but speaking of new(ish) stuff in metal, I'm curious what you think of Mistur's debut album?

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@Volvy:
As far as I'm concerned it was just a debate.

and I haven't listened to Mistur. I really haven't done much listening from much in 2009, especially from Black/Folk.

I'll check it out.

*opens mouth to say something, but closes it*