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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:12 am
In case any of y'all cash shop haters haven't heard, the next RiG has been delayed due to the efforts of all cash shop haters around Gaia and their protests and threads against it.
Of course Gaia isn't going to drop the next RiG altogether, they've already made and pixelled the items that are going to be in, plus the storyline and art.. that would be a waste of time and effort of the artists if they just dropped it altogether. Asking Gaia to do that is like asking Gaia to throw away however much they paid the artists while they worked on it, and all the time the artists spent on it would be for naught.
So, instead, they've delayed the RiG and pushed back the schedule of all RiGs due to all the protests and cash shop haters.
Congratulations, you've managed to delay Gaia from making more money by only a few weeks.
Btw, there's rumors that the next RiG is circus-themed.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:02 am
I love and hate the RiGs at the same time. I love the items....I hate how easily I drop the money for the bundles.
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Spider the bounty hunter Crew
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:26 am
it's not that I hate the RIGS...it's that I hate the release times between them...it's like every 2-3 weeks and it's just in my opinion kinda ridicules...give us some time to breath Gaia
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:37 am
Spider: They have a strict schedule for RiGs. They are released the week after MCs are out. They get pulled the week before next month's MCs are out.
The last RiG was pulled /early/, thus making the items even more expensive and rare, just because a bunch of cash shop haters protested against it and won. This next RiG is going to be put out late, also making the items be more expensive and rare when they do come out.
Gaia gave y'all time to breathe between the last RiG and the next one, and yet there are going to be consequences for it. Those of you who want any of the last RiG items or the next RiG items are going to have to quest more to get them because of a bunch of complaints.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:24 pm
Wow. There must've been a lot of complaints; I never would've have thought Gaia would delay something due to complaints. (I see a lot of these on Gaia... gonk )
...I have short term memory. What was the latest RIG? Final Reign?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:42 pm
I could care less about when they come out. It's the price for certain Cash Shop items that bugs me.
The economy is rough and consumers are looking for cheap buys. Even if it's on pixels. Evolving items are way over priced and so are donation items. Why spend $2.50 on an item with 5 poses when you can have 30 poses for $7.99? And then the recolors.
And I understand they are a company and need to make money. But with all the sponsors they seem to be getting, is it really a problem anymore?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:12 pm
*agrees with Kira*
>B( My family won't even let me have 5 bucks to get a sub sandwich...... how the hell am I supposed to spend money on gaia. XD
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:28 pm
Seliece: Yes, it was the Final Reign. It only stayed out for two weeks instead of the usual three.
Kira: Actually, Gaia has over $10 mil in the bank. They no longer are in debt since some time last year. Up until that point, Gaia had been in major debt and was actually losing money keeping Gaia up and running, yet they didn't shut it down, did they?
They've paid off their debt now and are making profits in the millions. All thanks to EIs, RiGs, and sponsors. Tell me, if Gaia never came up with EIs or RiGs, and had to rely only on sponsors and MCs to keep Gaia afloat, do you really think they'd be making profit or would they still be in debt?
Just because they're making profit now doesn't mean they should /stop/ making profit. They are a business after all. Just because money isn't a problem anymore doesn't mean they're going to stop trying to make any. Otherwise they'd quickly fall back into debt.
The price for MCs are traditional. They've been $2.50 ever since Gaia started. They were the very first 'cash' items and their prices have never changed, and they never will. Gaia keeps the MCs going because of tradition. They were the foundation of Gaia, they are not going to change them.
EIs, in my opinion, are not overpriced. Considering how long it takes full EIs to evolve, most with 30+ poses, $10 is a good price. The REIs are limited to 15 poses only, and they are half the cost of a full EI, which, given the math, is how it should be. Half the poses, half the cost.
It takes longer for an artist to come up with all the poses for both an EI and an REI. For EIs, the case is they work on the item as it evolves. They also incorporate a story into the EI and sometimes provide artwork via their journals to accompany it. For REIs, the poses are preset, which is why they evolve as fast as they do. The artist had the item and story completed ahead of time, but it still takes longer, I would imagine, to finish an REI than it does an MC.
Gaia does need to incorporate the artists' time spent on the item and compensate for how much they paid the artists during the time they spent on it, do they not? Of course an item an artist has been working on for 3 months is going to be more expensive than an item an artist has been working on for two weeks. Isn't that logical?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:42 pm
Hate on the Cash Shop haters if you want, but if there were enough complaints to delay the release of something new, then obviously enough people believe that they're not handling the Cash Shop well.
Personally, I not only have a problem with the price of most of the items in it anymore but the release schedule for new ones. RIG's only being out for 2-3 weeks is part of why most of the items are so expensive for people who can't afford to buy them with real money to even take the chance on getting anything good, and the Marketplace prices for each of the past RIG's and their items have been steadily increasing with the fewer people willing or able to buy them with the short amount of time they're out before they're pulled and something new takes their place. How many of the items in the past few RIG's remain under 100k even?
zOMG-ing/Exchanging/Vending/Booty Grabbing/etc. are pointed out as good (and about the only way anymore) to make large amounts of gold, but not everyone has the time, knowledge, or ability to do that. I'm also not saying that I'm all "Stop with all of the Cash Shop updates! Give us more Gold Shop updates!" I know they need to make enough money to keep the staff paid and the site going, and I like some of the items that come out of the Cash Shop, but I'm just not liking how they're handling it now.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:03 pm
Gaia recently came into new management, a new CEO. The old CEO was replaced. Had we still had the old CEO, it was likely they wouldn't have delayed the upcoming RiG. However, under new management, they're likely listening to users more, as it seems.
Exchanging/vending - I've known someone who made over 100 million gold just from exchanging/vending alone in under 8 months.
I myself have made 15 million from zOMG in under 2 months. I used to be able to make 250k a day from BG'ing alone, until Gaia nerfed the aquariums.
It may be a while before we see any actual changes in how Gaia is run through it's new management. At least, any obvious changes. I know quite a few contract artists have become full-time artists recently. The one who made the Checkmate REI was a contract artist and is currently moving to California to become a full-time artist at this very moment.
zOMG is very likely going to be shut down, or at the least, no longer be updated and maintained. The main coder for the game has been pulled from the team to work on other projects. While I can guess which project(s) he was assigned to (and one of them is a pretty neat idea, the other not so much), it also means that the current zOMG team consists of only 2 people.
So far, I don't like Gaia under it's new management, solely for what they're doing to zOMG.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:55 pm
 Whoa, chillax Kuro.
I work in retail and have for over 10 years. I know what companies do to make money and how sometimes they fail at it as well. Because some companies hire people that really don't know how to gain the consumers trusts or bring more people in.
Example: GameStop. My District Manager has never worked at a GameStop and he's just a pencil pusher, following what the CEO's tell him, and even they have probably never worked at a GameStop. If we say, "Fred, costumers aren't gonna like that..." We still have to do it. And what happens? Our customers agree with us.
Another example: Sony I love them, I do. But recently alot of mistakes have been made on the products they're trying to sell. Mainly, the PSP Go. And now with the Move out, they're trying to gain the attention of people who have a Wii. But a Wii doesn't play Blu-Ray or have all other features a PS3 does. Yeah, it's pricey and they know it. But people strapped on cash have said it, "I'm gonna wait til it drops in price." So while fundamentally it's a better source of gaming tech, it's also something to burn a hole in the pocket.
So IMO, there's nothing wrong with listening to your customers. If Gaia thinks, "Hey, maybe they're right." Then I say let them. Because in the long wrong, it's consumers who have the most control. We can say, "Yeah I'll pay $10 for that!" or not.
There's an upside and a downside to every argument. And this is just my opinion based on my own experience. Let's just agree to disagree and not let this topic get out of hand. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:00 am
O.o What's wrong with having a friendly discussion? If this were another guild, this thread would be 9-20 pages long by now, with members trying to prove each other wrong. XD It really is fun.  But seriously, this is the first time and place I've seen someone complain about the prices of MCs. I've seen complaints about the quality/originality, but never the prices. XD I like having friendly discussions with people and thought I'd give it a shot here to see what y'all think but I guess this is the wrong place to do it. xP -shrugs-
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:47 pm
 I only said it that because it didn't seem like friendly discussion in the beginning. The wording of your first sentence, made me think you were trying to pointing this directly at the guild.
Instead of "efforts of all cash shop haters" I think, "efforts of most cash shop haters" would've been better wording. Because that way it doesn't sound like you're pointing fingers at everyone who doesn't like the shop. I don't like it, but I didn't go protesting about it and bitching like some people may have.
If that wasn't your intention, I understand now after you say you you wanted friendly discussions. I'm cool with it as long as it doesn't turn into what you said, someone proving someone else wrong. No hard feeling from me. K? ^_^ Just a misunderstanding.
As for MC's, they have indeed lost the glow and sparkle people have come to love in the past. When someone says, "collectable" most think, "rare, unlike other things" but in fact they aren't. Those little dolls seem to be the more collectible items lately.
I think they should change the focus of the items and maybe drop the price a little, even if by 50ยข. If not dropping the price, maybe then just only having it able to grab for a short time like some collectible items are IRL. Not like what Blizzard did with it's WoW Cataclysm Special Collectors Edition. They had it reservable only for 24 hours. You miss the time you're screwed.
Of course, people are going to complain about that too. But again, if the masses want one thing then sometimes you don't have a choice if you want your product to sell. It sucks, but in the long run it's part of the business world :/ 
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:49 pm
Ahh, sorry about that. I use the word y'all a lot even when I'm only talking about a group of people and not the entire group so I can see the misunderstanding. xD;
I think, for the most part, Gaia is mainly keeping up with the MCs as tradition, as I said. The $2.50 price is traditional, but the number of poses aren't. If you look to see the original MCs and the first year they came out, you see there were MCs with only 1 or 2 poses, never any more than 2. Yet as the years passed, more poses were gradually added to the MCs so that now 'traditionally' MCs have around 5-6 poses. The price hasn't changed, but the number of poses has. Some or most will say they the quality has gone down, but imo, the original MCs aren't in any better quality than what we're given now.
The goti clips and the recent goti the kid MC, for example. They have the same exact quality, don't they? Same for the bani clips and the bani the bunny MC. The nightmare sash is comparable to the nightmare scarf in quality as well.
The light spirit? Comparable to quality of the light tome and lusty scoundrel. The murumasa or whatever it's called? It's comparable to the ancient katana.
While it's true all these MCs I pointed out have the same concepts, they do have the same quality as each other, despite some being 3-4 years apart.
So.. imo, the quality hasn't changed. They're giving us more poses than originally, just sometimes the concepts aren't exactly original. Of course with goti and bani, the likeness was intentional and obviously so. Same with the nightmare scarf/sash.
But with things like the light spirit and the light tome and lusty scoundrel.. it's not like Gaia tells them specifically to make a new item based off an old item in these cases. The process for making an MC is basically, Gaia gives their group of artists a prompt for that month, on what concept they want that month's MCs to be based upon. Every artist given that prompt then comes up with their own design, poses, and story based upon the prompt alone. The one Gaia thinks is best out of all the concepts, gets made into an item. So it could be coincidence that they're similar or it might not be, who knows.
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