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Nintendo Princess

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:05 pm


Okay, so this answer may or may not be hiding somewhere around these forums, but I can't find it. So I'm just gonna ask you guys. :]
I noticed that there are two different hiragana for "ji", and also for "zu". Is there a difference between the two different ways to write ji or between the two different ways to write zu? Are they interchangeable or do they have different uses, like shi and yon?
Just wondering; it's really been bothering me.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:15 pm


Yeah they're different, but romaji makes it seem like they're the same.

じ - ji - voiced version of "shi" (meaning it's "shi" + tenten, the two lines that change its sound).
ぢ - dji - voiced version of "chi." When you pronounce it there's a d sound before the ji, kinda of like the "t" before the "su" in "tsu." This one isn't really used that much though. Sometimes it's romanized as "ji" or "di" but it sounds the most like "dji."
ず - zu - voiced version of "su."
づ - dzu - voiced version of "tsu." Similar to "dji," there's a "d" sound before the "zu." Although unlike "dji," this one is used often. Sometimes it's romanized as "zu" or "dzu" but it sounds the most like "dzu."

The best way to learn the differences is to hear the sounds themselves, so look up some videos on pronunciation or something like that. Or you could go here and click on the sound button next to each one that you need to hear.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:39 pm


Nintendo Princess
Okay, so this answer may or may not be hiding somewhere around these forums, but I can't find it. So I'm just gonna ask you guys. :]
I noticed that there are two different hiragana for "ji", and also for "zu". Is there a difference between the two different ways to write ji or between the two different ways to write zu? Are they interchangeable or do they have different uses, like shi and yon?
Just wondering; it's really been bothering me.


The short answer: they're pronounced exactly the same way.

Long answer: As it is with other living languages, Japanese has been changing and evolving for a long, long time, and thus sometimes you'll see leftovers of a long gone era still present in the language. Those two, for example, are the product of when the word was produced and the double mark was needed to indicate a separate pronunciation(as with the word 続[つづ]ける ). You'll see it pop up in your language studies, and you shouldn't give it a whole lot of thought, considering they're both kind of archaeic and don't pop up much in modern usage. Just remember they are pronounced the same, and you'll be fine.

If you need one, here's a handy chart to explain it
PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:21 am


Basically you can assume that you're hearing ず and じ when the sounds come up in conversation, and you'll simply memorize when words are spelled with づ or ぢ (for instance つづく "to continue" as Koiyuki mentioned, or はなぢ "nosebleed"). The most obvious cases are when you've got a word that starts with ち that undergoes rendaku in a compound word (like はなぢ).

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Nintendo Princess

PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:36 am


Oh, wow! Thanks everyone for your quick replies. :]
Ukryu, that link is especially helpful.
But, I suppose I'll just naturally learn the difference more as I continue to learn the language. Thanks!!
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