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 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:41 pm
brainnsoup divineseraph C h e r r yADE xx I'm Agnostic.
I'm very...indecisive about a higher religion. I just simply don't know.
I wasn't born into a religious family at all, my whole family sits on the fence. But my father was Christian and went to Church every Sunday. He even thought about becoming a priest once, before he met my mother. I did go to Church with him, because it made him happy, but when he died I couldn't bare to face that Church without him.
When I was a kid, I used to play around with witchcraft with my friends, but i didn't get very far with that.
I guess I've always wanted to belong to something. I've always been really curious about other religions. I ask my Islamic friend questions quite often and talked to my Buddhist singing teacher what it was all about. He told me it was about becoming enlightened and letting go of your attachments, which I just don't agree with.
Theres just so much to make decisions on. Even that 'Belief-O-Matic' doesn't help.
"Does your God have a god or is a spirit or do you worship mulitple gods what about Ultimate Reality Or do you not believe it him?"
Errrr....'Not Sure...' Right, got myself out of that one, on to the next.
"Are the humans incarnation of god do you think there is one carnation of God or many?"
Oh, ermm....'Not Sure...' Right, next.
"What are the Origins of the Earth?"
GW@A#IUE&TF;£KS$JGB;wbfg;123%4&$!!!!!! gonk
Anyone else have this problem? How can you disagree with letting go of attachments? That's not really what I'd interpreted. It seemed like, in it's core, the idea was flawed, as though it were not a possible path to enlightenment.
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:42 pm
brainnsoup Tiina Brown HollywoodNobody yeah,,, me to... i want to belong to something.... i feel that im alone... even thou i have lots of friend & kinda popular... have a gf... havin a best friend to share opinion with... & im also religious (muslim).... but really deep inside i feel so lonely.... feels like i dont belong to anything... its mybe cause i dont have anyone that is trully understand me... but i thought that its ok... because i thought that only God can understand me.... but i cant understand God & because of tha i still feel lonely... and believe o matic is actually for fun... its not the real deal about religion anyway... u see... im pretty certain about my answer in the test... and the the result says that im a sikihism ( which i actually share the same idea as that religion) but still.... im still 100% sure that Islam is the right religion(just my perspective for my self) As far as i know, "sikihism" is a variant of Islam ........ !
As I understand it it's monotheistic.no its not a variant of islam / not a part of it..
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:55 pm
HollywoodNobody brainnsoup Tiina Brown HollywoodNobody yeah,,, me to... i want to belong to something.... i feel that im alone... even thou i have lots of friend & kinda popular... have a gf... havin a best friend to share opinion with... & im also religious (muslim).... but really deep inside i feel so lonely.... feels like i dont belong to anything... its mybe cause i dont have anyone that is trully understand me... but i thought that its ok... because i thought that only God can understand me.... but i cant understand God & because of tha i still feel lonely... and believe o matic is actually for fun... its not the real deal about religion anyway... u see... im pretty certain about my answer in the test... and the the result says that im a sikihism ( which i actually share the same idea as that religion) but still.... im still 100% sure that Islam is the right religion(just my perspective for my self) As far as i know, "sikihism" is a variant of Islam ........ !
As I understand it it's monotheistic.no its not a variant of islam / not a part of it..
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:43 pm
brainnsoup HollywoodNobody brainnsoup Tiina Brown HollywoodNobody yeah,,, me to... i want to belong to something.... i feel that im alone... even thou i have lots of friend & kinda popular... have a gf... havin a best friend to share opinion with... & im also religious (muslim).... but really deep inside i feel so lonely.... feels like i dont belong to anything... its mybe cause i dont have anyone that is trully understand me... but i thought that its ok... because i thought that only God can understand me.... but i cant understand God & because of tha i still feel lonely... and believe o matic is actually for fun... its not the real deal about religion anyway... u see... im pretty certain about my answer in the test... and the the result says that im a sikihism ( which i actually share the same idea as that religion) but still.... im still 100% sure that Islam is the right religion(just my perspective for my self) As far as i know, "sikihism" is a variant of Islam ........ !
As I understand it it's monotheistic.no its not a variant of islam / not a part of it.. "No" ????? no for what? for me saying its not a variant of Islam "Sikhism is Hinduism heavily influenced by Islam" true "it shares many of Islam's ideals" true but...its not a variant of Islam.... its like saying... if Islam shares many of Christianity's ideals,,, does it makes Islam a variety of Christian?
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:45 pm
oh i get it... u were saying it to tiina brown xp
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:51 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx @divine: I actually have the same problem with Buddhism. I don't think people were created to be that way, because it'd probrably be easier for something to start in a neutral state, which we don't. If that's true, they why would we desire things and have the intensity of feeling that we do if we're just meant to walk away from all of it? @Cherry: I can't say I've ever had that problem. sweatdrop My suggestion is to start with looking for truth and to go from there. Try and see what seems to have a lot of holes, and what might make sense with the world. For me, one of the most important things in my religion is I get to have a relationship with God, and He gives a purpose to everything, including life. He is my truth. I'd also look for something that has a moral code you can live by, and a community of people who can encourage you in it (even an online community would be good). The last thing is try not to make it completely about yourself. A lot of people think building a belief system around themselves is fine, but if you do that it might just all come down to you and have no importance in itself, and that's not what it's about. Anyway, I hope you find something what you're searching for. ^^ Maybe that's the test? What about the saying "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time"? Knowing that all things are impermanent, does this not bring sadness to know that all things go away with time? (Admittedly, not the soul, but objects, relationships, lives.) The point is to find happiness. Anything that exists in the world will not last and therefore can not truly bring happiness because it will go away (thus creating loss). It will also promote a sense of sadness in the knowledge that it will not be premanent, if one thinks that far ahead. Therefore, by the logic of Buddhism, true happiness is found by casting away the impermanent and focusing on the spiritual self. Some cast away a will for possession, and some go so far as to cast off relationships and families. The idea is that we have, basically, two choices- Cling to what we want and lose it, or walk away from it to begin with because we know that it is nothing in the face of infinity. I admittedly don't know much about Buddhism, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point in Buddhism that all things are impermanent, including the soul? I could definetely be wrong about that, but if that's the belief, then nothing has a purpose, so what's the purpose of the test? That's actually the way it is in Christianity, at least in some ways. We're supposed to focus on God and other people and store our riches in Heaven and not in this world. That's pretty much what Jesus said, "Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life will find it." (my paraphrase) Anyway, the difference, in my eyes, is that Jesus held the supernatural things to be important and permanent, while I'm not sure Buddha did. That, and Jesus embraced serving God with passion and having desire for the things of God, where again, I don't know that Buddha did. Feel free to correct me though. ^^ There are variations of belief- It's like asking if Christians really think that the wine they drink in church is actually God's blood. Some do, some don't. No matter what, they believe the spirit or life-force is permanent, and is the only "constant"- When you die, it moves on and animates something else, possibly on a different realm. It's more like this branch sees the soul as a flowing movement of energy more than what you consider the soul. Of course, some believe that the soul is more like the western idea and travels similarly. Keep in mind, Buddhism isn't truly a religion, it's a philosophy. You can be both Buddhist and Christian, for example, because Buddhism doesn't really touch WHY the universe is, just how to best exist in it. Then why crave stuff? Why crave what you know will not and can not last? This is where the test comes in, where Capitalism kills, and where we sin. We want. Buddha was not concerned with finding God, in my opinion. He was trying to end suffering on earth. He found the cause to be wanting and expecting and clinging, and the cure to be casting these things off. It's like God and Science- They don't really line up. But this does not make them mutually exclusive. Okay... I think a lot of people crave because they're trying to fill the hole in their life where God should be. The solution then is not to kill desire, but to fill it with the only thing that will work; not religion, but God. Still the end of desire only works if you apply it to the right things, in my religion. You can't do away with desire completely, as a Christian, or else you're practicing a dead religon.
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:59 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx @divine: I actually have the same problem with Buddhism. I don't think people were created to be that way, because it'd probrably be easier for something to start in a neutral state, which we don't. If that's true, they why would we desire things and have the intensity of feeling that we do if we're just meant to walk away from all of it? @Cherry: I can't say I've ever had that problem. sweatdrop My suggestion is to start with looking for truth and to go from there. Try and see what seems to have a lot of holes, and what might make sense with the world. For me, one of the most important things in my religion is I get to have a relationship with God, and He gives a purpose to everything, including life. He is my truth. I'd also look for something that has a moral code you can live by, and a community of people who can encourage you in it (even an online community would be good). The last thing is try not to make it completely about yourself. A lot of people think building a belief system around themselves is fine, but if you do that it might just all come down to you and have no importance in itself, and that's not what it's about. Anyway, I hope you find something what you're searching for. ^^ Maybe that's the test? What about the saying "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time"? Knowing that all things are impermanent, does this not bring sadness to know that all things go away with time? (Admittedly, not the soul, but objects, relationships, lives.) The point is to find happiness. Anything that exists in the world will not last and therefore can not truly bring happiness because it will go away (thus creating loss). It will also promote a sense of sadness in the knowledge that it will not be premanent, if one thinks that far ahead. Therefore, by the logic of Buddhism, true happiness is found by casting away the impermanent and focusing on the spiritual self. Some cast away a will for possession, and some go so far as to cast off relationships and families. The idea is that we have, basically, two choices- Cling to what we want and lose it, or walk away from it to begin with because we know that it is nothing in the face of infinity. I admittedly don't know much about Buddhism, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point in Buddhism that all things are impermanent, including the soul? I could definetely be wrong about that, but if that's the belief, then nothing has a purpose, so what's the purpose of the test? That's actually the way it is in Christianity, at least in some ways. We're supposed to focus on God and other people and store our riches in Heaven and not in this world. That's pretty much what Jesus said, "Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life will find it." (my paraphrase) Anyway, the difference, in my eyes, is that Jesus held the supernatural things to be important and permanent, while I'm not sure Buddha did. That, and Jesus embraced serving God with passion and having desire for the things of God, where again, I don't know that Buddha did. Feel free to correct me though. ^^ There are variations of belief- It's like asking if Christians really think that the wine they drink in church is actually God's blood. Some do, some don't. No matter what, they believe the spirit or life-force is permanent, and is the only "constant"- When you die, it moves on and animates something else, possibly on a different realm. It's more like this branch sees the soul as a flowing movement of energy more than what you consider the soul. Of course, some believe that the soul is more like the western idea and travels similarly. Keep in mind, Buddhism isn't truly a religion, it's a philosophy. You can be both Buddhist and Christian, for example, because Buddhism doesn't really touch WHY the universe is, just how to best exist in it. Then why crave stuff? Why crave what you know will not and can not last? This is where the test comes in, where Capitalism kills, and where we sin. We want. Buddha was not concerned with finding God, in my opinion. He was trying to end suffering on earth. He found the cause to be wanting and expecting and clinging, and the cure to be casting these things off. It's like God and Science- They don't really line up. But this does not make them mutually exclusive. Okay... I think a lot of people crave because they're trying to fill the hole in their life where God should be. The solution then is not to kill desire, but to fill it with the only thing that will work; not religion, but God. Still the end of desire only works if you apply it to the right things, in my religion. You can't do away with desire completely, as a Christian, or else you're practicing a dead religon. And how do you "obtain" God? And perhaps this is what they are doing, in their own way- Some do it for God, others for not-God. The point is to not desire what does not last. Buddhism is still not a religion, so it's still not really relevant. The cause of suffering is ignorance of what we really want. We really want peace of the soul and stability. We can only find this when we stop believing that happiness comes from impermanent things.
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:25 pm
HollywoodNobody brainnsoup HollywoodNobody brainnsoup Tiina Brown HollywoodNobody yeah,,, me to... i want to belong to something.... i feel that im alone... even thou i have lots of friend & kinda popular... have a gf... havin a best friend to share opinion with... & im also religious (muslim).... but really deep inside i feel so lonely.... feels like i dont belong to anything... its mybe cause i dont have anyone that is trully understand me... but i thought that its ok... because i thought that only God can understand me.... but i cant understand God & because of tha i still feel lonely... and believe o matic is actually for fun... its not the real deal about religion anyway... u see... im pretty certain about my answer in the test... and the the result says that im a sikihism ( which i actually share the same idea as that religion) but still.... im still 100% sure that Islam is the right religion(just my perspective for my self) As far as i know, "sikihism" is a variant of Islam ........ !
As I understand it it's monotheistic.no its not a variant of islam / not a part of it.. "No" ????? no for what? for me saying its not a variant of Islam "Sikhism is Hinduism heavily influenced by Islam" true "it shares many of Islam's ideals" true but...its not a variant of Islam.... its like saying... if Islam shares many of Christianity's ideals,,, does it makes Islam a variety of Christian?
It's not a coincidence.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:57 am
divineseraph C h e r r yADE xx I'm Agnostic.
I'm very...indecisive about a higher religion. I just simply don't know.
I wasn't born into a religious family at all, my whole family sits on the fence. But my father was Christian and went to Church every Sunday. He even thought about becoming a priest once, before he met my mother. I did go to Church with him, because it made him happy, but when he died I couldn't bare to face that Church without him.
When I was a kid, I used to play around with witchcraft with my friends, but i didn't get very far with that.
I guess I've always wanted to belong to something. I've always been really curious about other religions. I ask my Islamic friend questions quite often and talked to my Buddhist singing teacher what it was all about. He told me it was about becoming enlightened and letting go of your attachments, which I just don't agree with.
Theres just so much to make decisions on. Even that 'Belief-O-Matic' doesn't help.
"Does your God have a god or is a spirit or do you worship mulitple gods what about Ultimate Reality Or do you not believe it him?"
Errrr....'Not Sure...' Right, got myself out of that one, on to the next.
"Are the humans incarnation of god do you think there is one carnation of God or many?"
Oh, ermm....'Not Sure...' Right, next.
"What are the Origins of the Earth?"
GW@A#IUE&TF;£KS$JGB;wbfg;123%4&$!!!!!! gonk
Anyone else have this problem? How can you disagree with letting go of attachments? Rofl, you're honestly asking? Because attachments, in the sense of passion and desire, are actually pretty essential elements of my religion. One of my religions anyway. Oh wouldn't it be a boring world if we were all the same! ^_^
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:52 am
brainnsoup
Perhaps find out your own beliefs first on what God is, why we suffer, what happens when we die, why do bad things happen to good people, etc. first.
I find that I can't really answer many of those kinds of questions.
I think that bad things happen so that we can tell what is good and bad.
And I don't think that (God is there is one, haven't decided yet...) is completely responsible to what happens. I think we all have a choice and that what we do effects people around us.
Wow, answered that better than I thought I would...
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:59 am
divineseraph C h e r r yADE xx I'm Agnostic.
I'm very...indecisive about a higher religion. I just simply don't know.
I wasn't born into a religious family at all, my whole family sits on the fence. But my father was Christian and went to Church every Sunday. He even thought about becoming a priest once, before he met my mother. I did go to Church with him, because it made him happy, but when he died I couldn't bare to face that Church without him.
When I was a kid, I used to play around with witchcraft with my friends, but i didn't get very far with that.
I guess I've always wanted to belong to something. I've always been really curious about other religions. I ask my Islamic friend questions quite often and talked to my Buddhist singing teacher what it was all about. He told me it was about becoming enlightened and letting go of your attachments, which I just don't agree with.
Theres just so much to make decisions on. Even that 'Belief-O-Matic' doesn't help.
"Does your God have a god or is a spirit or do you worship mulitple gods what about Ultimate Reality Or do you not believe it him?"
Errrr....'Not Sure...' Right, got myself out of that one, on to the next.
"Are the humans incarnation of god do you think there is one carnation of God or many?"
Oh, ermm....'Not Sure...' Right, next.
"What are the Origins of the Earth?"
GW@A#IUE&TF;£KS$JGB;wbfg;123%4&$!!!!!! gonk
Anyone else have this problem? How can you disagree with letting go of attachments? I just don't feel that it's suited to me. I'm very much into my attachments, they serve me a distraction from the bad things that have happened in my life. It's not denial, it's just to occupy me. Correct me if I wrong, but I think by 'attachments' Buddists also believe that people are attachments. My teacher told me about his Buddhist friend who wen to this woman's funeral, and her husband was in tears, mourning for her, and this person said "That's what you get for having such a happy marriage." (Probably not in that context. I just don't like the idea of 'letting' go of the people I care about, like my parents who made me and nurtured me. I probably have the entirely wrong idea about it, so please correct me.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:22 am
C h e r r yADE xx divineseraph C h e r r yADE xx I'm Agnostic.
I'm very...indecisive about a higher religion. I just simply don't know.
I wasn't born into a religious family at all, my whole family sits on the fence. But my father was Christian and went to Church every Sunday. He even thought about becoming a priest once, before he met my mother. I did go to Church with him, because it made him happy, but when he died I couldn't bare to face that Church without him.
When I was a kid, I used to play around with witchcraft with my friends, but i didn't get very far with that.
I guess I've always wanted to belong to something. I've always been really curious about other religions. I ask my Islamic friend questions quite often and talked to my Buddhist singing teacher what it was all about. He told me it was about becoming enlightened and letting go of your attachments, which I just don't agree with.
Theres just so much to make decisions on. Even that 'Belief-O-Matic' doesn't help.
"Does your God have a god or is a spirit or do you worship mulitple gods what about Ultimate Reality Or do you not believe it him?"
Errrr....'Not Sure...' Right, got myself out of that one, on to the next.
"Are the humans incarnation of god do you think there is one carnation of God or many?"
Oh, ermm....'Not Sure...' Right, next.
"What are the Origins of the Earth?"
GW@A#IUE&TF;£KS$JGB;wbfg;123%4&$!!!!!! gonk
Anyone else have this problem? How can you disagree with letting go of attachments? I just don't feel that it's suited to me. I'm very much into my attachments, they serve me a distraction from the bad things that have happened in my life. It's not denial, it's just to occupy me. Correct me if I wrong, but I think by 'attachments' Buddists also believe that people are attachments. My teacher told me about his Buddhist friend who wen to this woman's funeral, and her husband was in tears, mourning for her, and this person said "That's what you get for having such a happy marriage." (Probably not in that context. I just don't like the idea of 'letting' go of the people I care about, like my parents who made me and nurtured me. I probably have the entirely wrong idea about it, so please correct me. That sounds like escapism, and escapism isn't true happiness- It doesn't last. And why have bad things happened? It could easily be argued that this is because of attachments that you have, excluding things like disease. Some do, some don't. That's not a good Buddhist, to act that way at a funeral, but it kind of demonstrates the idea. If you become attached to something impermanent, you will be hurt. Escaping afterwards just hides that hurt under more layers of impermanence. I'm not saying that it's the absolute best and only way to go, but there is powerful truth in it. The leaving of family members is more extreme than what most Buddhists do- Many avoid the draws of money, industry, capitalism and marketed greed.
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