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 Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:11 pm
Argus Plexus Never EVER ask someone else for the truth. There is no truth but the one you find for yourself. No offense, but that argument is not even worth the time it took to type. neutral
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:28 pm
Quinz J Morro Kurojishi Mikoto Quinz J Morro Gandhi once said Be the change you wish to see in the world. I am into living that philosophy. As such, I talk about the goings on of the world and work to uplift myself and those I come in contact with. As I continue on I'll build others and myself ever higher and eventually bring the wicked system to its knees. Rome wasn't built nor destroyed in a day. Neither was the NWO. Why are you in such a rush? I never said i was and neevr said i was going to take part in this. I am simply talking about a subject to determine what is the real problem, if there is any. Philosophy is just an extension of the word, wisdom. As such, it is unwise to not know what you are angry about. The system might in fact not be wicked at all, and just poorly made. The media feeds lies and yet, everything here points to the media and the media gives nothing concrete to follow on. As it is now, no one is attempting to build "rome". They got the idea that they should build it, but they don't know how to build it. Nor, do they choose to learn the fundamentals to build it and thus, creates inaction. So, rome is never going to be built if things remain the same. To be the change you wish to see in the world, you must understand how to be this "change". As the chinese said, the secret to life is knowing where to find the answers and this guild does not seem to know the answers. If the guild wishes for the answers, they should speak and share their ideas. You completely missed the point of everything I said. No one in this guild is attempting to build a corrupt society. That's what those we're speaking about are doing. It's taken them over 300 (if not way more) years to do so, and you're asking us to give a "report" of all this. You want the people here to give what they know, answers they've come to based on their own research and life experiences. You ask a lot. I gave my answer though, and you misinterpreted it. If you're here with your thoughts closed and asking to be spoonfed then this really isn't the place for you Kuro. Quote: No one in this guild is attempting to build a corrupt society. And how you got to this, i have no idea. Quote: You ask a lot. I gave my answer though, and you misinterpreted it. I think you are the one "misinterpreting" Quote: If you're here with your thoughts closed and asking to be spoonfed then this really isn't the place for you Kuro. On the contrary, it seems like you're thoughts are closed if you are unwilling to speak on the subject of the discussion. You are unwilling to discuss and the things you have said, points to you wanting everyone to do it you're way, meaning you don't listen or take into account, what i have to say. Therefore, you're closed minded. (Don't bother denying it) Quote: It's taken them over 300 (if not way more) years to do so, and you're asking us to give a "report" of all this. And exactly what information confirms that people were collecting this information for 300 years? I find this unlikely because all the information shown here, seems waaay too small for 300 yrs and information wasn't even recorded that well back then. In fact, 300 years ago, there was far less corruption and people were more honest and trusting with eachother and the government. Anyways, you misunderstand. Call it spoonfeeding or w/e you want. I'm here for discussion on getting to the bottom of it all with concrete information and solid thinking. This is a discussion. Now, i doubt everyone here would have the same thing to say and im certain that no 1 here knows everything about what they speak. So, to what they really know, they can share that information so we can discuss on it. However, if you insist on going on that same thing which you have been doing, i will not bother to reply to you anymore because i see that speaking to you will go nowhere. Please don't bother to reply unless you actually want to post something on topic and if you do have something to say that does not have to do with what i ask in the first post, it will be ignored. So don't expect a reply.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:23 am
well, the new world order is real. it's a real concept, spoken publicly about. have you watched the "invisible empire" film? it does a decent job at proving it by supplying all the clips of people talking about it, and at the end of the film, all the audio of people talking about it. but, the new world order is not new and it's not order. what i'm fighting against is actually the NEW new world order.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:21 pm
A good documentary to watch is Food Inc. Truthfully, thats what got me interested in pursuing a "truth" to begin with. I dont have enough time to give you all the details, sorry. But you might have noticed the American trend of poor eating habbits? It's my belief that it's not just about the choices we make, but also the choices we are given....
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:26 pm
I think it's funny, Kurojishi, that you're talking about discussion and swapping ideas but you've basically mandated that if someone doesn't reply with what you want to hear you'll ignore them.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:47 pm
Obscurus I think it's funny, Kurojishi, that you're talking about discussion and swapping ideas but you've basically mandated that if someone doesn't reply with what you want to hear you'll ignore them. He wasn't promoting any ideas toward the topic. There was nothing to speak of with him. The things i am ignoring, are things that don't relate with what this topic was made for. I clearly said, that if he did not wanted to be ignore, that he should talk about the topic. Nice try at taking what i said out of context tho. F.Y.I. Its not about what i want to "hear" its the topic that we are supposed to talk about. What he is doing and what you're doing now is, spamming the topic with unrelated things. So basically, would you not ignore a troll that is trolling and spamming the forums with nonsense? Or would you continue to talk to the troll and waste your time? Basically the same concept here. If you wish to talk about something else, make another thread and do so.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:20 pm
You asked about the truth. Everyone here has been giving you their opinions on the truth. If this isn't quite what you're wanting then maybe you can give us a specific topic that you want our views of the truth about. It's a lot easier to start discussion when we have a narrow focus.
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:30 am
Obscurus You asked about the truth. Everyone here has been giving you their opinions on the truth. If this isn't quite what you're wanting then maybe you can give us a specific topic that you want our views of the truth about. It's a lot easier to start discussion when we have a narrow focus. No one has been doing what the topic has actually said. I don't have to be specific, you just don't understand whats going on if you cannot answer what my thread asks. All you all been doing is saying "Research it urself" when i clearly stated that i have went thru the things on this site. Now, if you can't comprehend what my topic says, then thats too bad. However, you shouldn't go into topics and pretend you know what you're talking about. Fact is, you're not giving views at all. You're telling people to do something or watch something without sharing any of ur personal thoughts, and the fact that you are disputing what this thread is about, proves that you're not attempting to follow this threads topic. Now, i no longer wish to discuss with you these things because you're clearly repeating yourself and it seems you don't understand what you're talking about. + ur off topic Anyways, i don't think anyone here understands how the government works at all, including you. If you did, you wouldn't have no problem being on topic here. That's something undeniable by whats been shown here.
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:18 pm
Kurojishi Mikoto Obscurus You asked about the truth. Everyone here has been giving you their opinions on the truth. If this isn't quite what you're wanting then maybe you can give us a specific topic that you want our views of the truth about. It's a lot easier to start discussion when we have a narrow focus. No one has been doing what the topic has actually said. I don't have to be specific, you just don't understand whats going on if you cannot answer what my thread asks. All you all been doing is saying "Research it urself" when i clearly stated that i have went thru the things on this site. Now, if you can't comprehend what my topic says, then thats too bad. However, you shouldn't go into topics and pretend you know what you're talking about. Fact is, you're not giving views at all. You're telling people to do something or watch something without sharing any of ur personal thoughts, and the fact that you are disputing what this thread is about, proves that you're not attempting to follow this threads topic. Now, i no longer wish to discuss with you these things because you're clearly repeating yourself and it seems you don't understand what you're talking about. + ur off topic Anyways, i don't think anyone here understands how the government works at all, including you. If you did, you wouldn't have no problem being on topic here. That's something undeniable by whats been shown here. I posted an on-topic opinion on the last page and you didn't reply to it. Obscurus Give me something specific to start me off and I'll be happy to oblige. I assume though that you're saying you want to know about the NWO since that seems to be the main focus of this guild. I think that the NWO basically comes down to rich and powerful people wanting to be richer and more powerful. Comes down to human greed. I don't think it's any more complicated or sinister than that, personally. The evidence is all around us. Why are you trying so hard to tear people down? Tell us what you think, at least? Stir the conversation rather than just deriding everyone that makes an attempt. Let's save this topic. It's obviously already generated some discussion.
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:26 pm
Obscurus Kurojishi Mikoto Obscurus You asked about the truth. Everyone here has been giving you their opinions on the truth. If this isn't quite what you're wanting then maybe you can give us a specific topic that you want our views of the truth about. It's a lot easier to start discussion when we have a narrow focus. No one has been doing what the topic has actually said. I don't have to be specific, you just don't understand whats going on if you cannot answer what my thread asks. All you all been doing is saying "Research it urself" when i clearly stated that i have went thru the things on this site. Now, if you can't comprehend what my topic says, then thats too bad. However, you shouldn't go into topics and pretend you know what you're talking about. Fact is, you're not giving views at all. You're telling people to do something or watch something without sharing any of ur personal thoughts, and the fact that you are disputing what this thread is about, proves that you're not attempting to follow this threads topic. Now, i no longer wish to discuss with you these things because you're clearly repeating yourself and it seems you don't understand what you're talking about. + ur off topic Anyways, i don't think anyone here understands how the government works at all, including you. If you did, you wouldn't have no problem being on topic here. That's something undeniable by whats been shown here. I posted an on-topic opinion on the last page and you didn't reply to it. Obscurus Give me something specific to start me off and I'll be happy to oblige. I assume though that you're saying you want to know about the NWO since that seems to be the main focus of this guild. I think that the NWO basically comes down to rich and powerful people wanting to be richer and more powerful. Comes down to human greed. I don't think it's any more complicated or sinister than that, personally. The evidence is all around us. Why are you trying so hard to tear people down? Tell us what you think, at least? Stir the conversation rather than just deriding everyone that makes an attempt. Let's save this topic. It's obviously already generated some discussion. I did not see an on-topic opinion. I only saw a basis of a theory with you asking "What should i talk about" and if you've been reading what i've wrote, you'd know that you don't need me to tell you what to talk about. You should re-read the first post. Quote: Why are you trying so hard to tear people down? Tell us what you think, at least? Stir the conversation rather than just deriding everyone that makes an attempt. Let's save this topic. It's obviously already generated some discussion. If you think i'm trying to tear people down, you are mistaken. People make off-topic posts with ignorant logic and i only explain what this thread is about. The only ones that are making this thread fail, is the posters. Not the one who started the thread and if i did not bother to reply to some of these posts, the thread would be beyond saving because it would only repeat with the same answers this thread started in. Anyways, if the majority of posts will continue as it is, the thread should just die because its meaningless as it is now. However if you wish to attempt on being on topic... Quote: Everything about what? As I said, not everyone here agrees with or believes in some of these things. I'm aware of this and thats why its ideal to make this topic. The government conspiracies and whatnot is not a question of belief, but facts. If we were to discuss these things that various people have different sights and input on, we can determine more easily what is truly wrong and what we may have seen as wrong, but can actually be a good thing. Quote: Give me something specific to start me off and I'll be happy to oblige. I assume though that you're saying you want to know about the NWO since that seems to be the main focus of this guild. I think that the NWO basically comes down to rich and powerful people wanting to be richer and more powerful. Comes down to human greed. I don't think it's any more complicated or sinister than that, personally. The evidence is all around us. You can start off wherever you like. As stated, gathering different sights, point of views and thoughts, is what we should be discussing. However, what you just posted lacks any rationality. You are basically accusing people, but not providing any actual reasoning that can justify their greed and facts to go with it. As shown in some of the examples... Quote: I don't want to see for example.... "Cash for clunkers is a program that is crashing our economy because the goverment is practically giving away our money for nothing!" or "Cash for clunkers was created because car companies needed more money!" i don't even want to see "Cash for clunkers! Its a conspiracy maaaaaaaan!" That post from the first page shows that you're post is rather similar to the bolded example i gave u. Quote: What i prefer to see is... something like this Cash for clunkers is a program that was created to get us to give our cars to the car dealership so that the car dealership could smash the car and turn it into scrap metal and then give it to china, because china would not accept the u.s. dollar and thus we had to pay to get cars from china with the cars people turned in, using cash for clunkers. This helped stimulate the u.s. economy in... etc While it should be detailed and thought out more like this.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:20 am
rolleyes I came to the realization while baking (which is when my conscious mind is most preoccupied so my higher conscious can send the real messages) that you said that you've checked into the information spoken of in this guild. While none of us may have a hugely detailed enough picture of what is going on here and the NWO Conspiracy to set it down in this forum for you to go through I'll send to you the sort of things that made me do my own research. On 9/11 Israeli Mossad agents were caught filming the airplanes hitting the Towers. After being arrested they told the FBI that they knew the attacks were going to happen so they set up their cameras that early morning…They were seen dancing with excitement and giving each other “high fives” by a local resident who called the police on them…….. GOOGLE : DANCING MOSSAD . Somebody sent a txt message alerting friends in NY about the terrorist attacks several hours BEFORE the first hijacked plane left the ground. The Txt message was sent from the same city where MOSSAD is based. FBI agents went to Israel to look for the person who sent the messages. GOOGLE : ODIGO WARNING . Mossad Agents were caught with explosives in the Mexico Congress Bldg one month after 9/11 attempting a false flag operation which would have been blamed on Muslims. These 2 Israeli citizens were using falsified PAKISTANI passports. Google : MEXICO MOSSAD ENDGAME by Alex Jones The first section of the film documents the rise of the banking cartels, who since 1800 have funded both sides of almost every war. Endgame charts the usurpation of the British economy by the Rothchild family who went on to bankroll all factions during the first world war providing armaments companies through banks in France, Austria, Germany and England. Endgame then documents the fallout of the great war and the attempts to form a controlling League of Nations, which was ultimately blocked by Congress. Such frustration on the part of the elite led to the rise of two factions, fascists and Fabian socialists. Endgame documents how bankers again funded both sides during WW2 which ultimately led to the creation of the UN and the beginning of the movement to implement three power blocs via incremental globalism. The second section of the film covers the Bilderberg group and Alex's documentation of the elite group at the 2006 meeting in Ottawa. It covers Alex's detention on the Canadian border at the behest of Bilderberg insiders themselves. Alex and his crew describe how they were interrogated for nearly twelve hours before finally being allowed entry into the country. ndgame then shifts focus to the impending movement towards a North American Union, presenting reports and documentation relating to the efforts toward regional harmonization between the US Mexico and Canada at the secretive Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) summits, which refer to an "evolution by stealth" agenda. The later parts of the film deal firstly with the hijacking of the environmental movement. Experts and former insiders describe how there has been a long term goal spanning back decades to use an exaggerated threat from mother nature in order to control energy markets, regulate the progression of lesser economies and increase the rich poor divide by pricing out the middle classes. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&hl=en#I guess you could say my knowledge is very much incomplete and piecemeal. It's what I've got though so take it or leave it. This was my starting point and now I've given the same start to you. If you have questions where to go next feel free to ask, but don't expect to make demands of people that only offer what they know.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:14 pm
@Kurojishi
Let me elaborate then. While I find most NWO conspiracy theories to be entertaining, I don't think that the motivation behind their actions is anything but greed. If they want a one-world government then it's because that would make it easier or more convenient for them to acquire or keep wealth. Some people think that it's about eugenics, or shape-shifting space lizards, or things like that.
I think that it's just people that love money and power trying to get more money and power. An example of this would be the recent backfire on the financial institution. Greedy people (Goldman Sachs, to name one) decided they could make more money and therefore have more power. This backfired on them only in that their actions became known to the public. Goldman Sachs could just be the scapegoat for others that were involved because GS with their "golden parachutes" and ridiculous executive bonuses attracted more hate from the public than anyone else.
If you look at the major roadblocks to any kind of wide-sweeping reform (I'll use health care reform here since it's something recent) then you will find that most of the opposition comes from those that are going to be hurt in the pocket by the reform. In the case of health care reform, the cries were of socialism and redistribution of wealth. People that have a lot of money wanted to keep their money and wanted to be allowed to make and keep a whole lot more.
When it comes to imposing stricter environmental regulations that would benefit all of mankind, the opposition is from industrial and oil interests. They want to be free to exploit resources and pollute as they see fit, with as little oversight and restriction as possible, and if an oil platform sinks or people get cancer from the ground water then they don't care because they made their cash.
The opposition to stricter mine safety regulations in coal mines comes from those that are making the most money off of the coal. Unlike with the talks of phasing out coal altogether which hurts the miners and the fat cats equally, you never see miners protesting better safety standards in mining. It's always the people that are going to experience lower profits that stand against mine safety reform.
These are just a few examples of why I feel that any kind of New World Order group is fueled by a desire for money (and vicariously through that, power) and not so much with ruling the world or enslaving the populace (unless enslaving them is profitable).
I don't think that the people that espouse population reduction are being entirely altruistic in their thinking. Yes, a smaller human population would benefit the planet, as well as those humans that lived on it. I think that if there is some aim to reduce the population then it's because "they" want to have it all for themselves, or because they want to remove any opposition to their profits-at-all-costs policies.
That's the expanded version of my previous, brief, opinion. Hopefully with enough semi-specific examples for your satisfaction. I feel that human greed is a self-evident fact. Most perceived evil in the world can be traced back to greed. Most perceived oppression, likewise.
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:55 pm
Pontius Pilate asked "What is truth?"
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