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Tasn Zheng

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:44 pm


Suicide is never the answer, but people think it is when in a difficult situation like that.
PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:26 pm


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There is a girl who I'm acquainted with. She is on my Facebook. Nearly every single day, she posts something incredibly sad and vague. She says she considers ending her life. Like I said, I don't know her very well, so I don't know her situation, but...

I personally think she just wants attention. She just seems like that sort of person.

There's a question there. What if I'm wrong? What if she does kill herself one day? I don't think I'd feel guilty. She has a ton of people who probably look at her Facebook daily. They know her better than I do. They would know if she was serious or not and they would be responsible for helping her through any crises. If I'm wrong, it's not as I'm at fault. Political correctness is sometimes "You're wrong either way." and that's just terrible.

People live with tons of pain every day. Not everyone kills themselves. Why do some people feel that dying is the only answer when other people, like Haitians, for example, live with so much more pain every day? I'm sure there are many Haitians who would love to do nothing more than lay down and die, but they continue to live. I admire that. Believing, no wanting to believe that there will come a time when it will hurt less is amazing. Refusing to hope for a better future... that is wrong.

I have to say, I'm fortunate that I have never seriously considered killing myself. I never ask, "Who would miss me?" because I know who would miss me. I know that I could never do that to the people in my life. I love them too much. It wouldn't be fair, they don't deserve that. This sounds pretty strange, but my loved ones deserve to have me around as long as possible.


I'm going to have to agree with you here Gallows, suicide is never the answer. Even if your life is hard or painful or you've had something tragic happen to you, as you say, there are people out there who do care for you and to rob them of your life is both selfish and cowardly, how does ending your own life and causing pain to others resolve anything? It takes courage to wake up in the morning and face your troubles. Suicidal people take the "easy" ways out. That might offend some of you but its the truth. In no situation is suicide the best option...ever. The hardest thing is always to keep living...even in the face of terrible adversity or suffering. If you live, you can make thing right again. Death is meaningless and is just the end of all your possibilities. >.> A man might lose his whole family in a tragic accident...but if he lives he can do something worthwhile to prevent it happening to others. He can also rebuild his life which while not the same, it will help to heal the pain in his heart.

Also, as Tasn said, that person is most likely suffering in some way. >.> Say that you don't help this person and in some time to come the worst case scenario happens and you think "I should have said something". Is'nt it better essentially to live without regrets. I'd advise you to reach out to that person. You'll probably find that there were many people who think just the same as you but did'nt take that step to help. So, try to help even if you're not sure or you're a little scared.

Thinking of those people in Haiti, its easy to compare the two, but circumstances play a large role in anything. Essentially, the human mind is fragile and easily influenced. The people there are bluntly put...all suffering together, through that they can bond with each other and find the strength to carry on. Thats just one example of being positive in even that kind of tragedy. Sure, there are many who will end their lives anyway, but in the end, suicide is still the cowards way out. People are strong and yet they are weak. Two people in the same situation may react differently as their lives and circumstances are all different. Choosing to keep living is difficult, sometimes the pain of loss or despair is so great that one feels they need to escape it and they try to run. They might conclude that ending their life will end the pain...but that in turn hurts others. Even if you have no loved ones left and you can't think of someone alive who'd care if you died, there are people around you who will notice and while not vocal, they may care deeply for you. Also, if its regarding loss, those who are dead do not come back but they would not want you to end your own life because of their death. That just creates a worse situation.

From what you say, I'd imagine that at present you are stronger (mentally) than a suicidal person, and as such would'nt you say stronger people are meant to help those who are in a weakened state of mind? Helping others to find their strength and then they in turn can help others. Its an ideal you can believe in, anyone can, and whether you think so or not, it can be seen if you merely observe the people around you. People can get courage as easily as they can lose it, a kind smile or a small gift might have an unforseen consequence. Perhaps a person you greeted randomly with a warm smile was contemplating death that very day, you may have unconsciously saved them. Small actions can either help or break a person. People are influenced by the tiniest things. I've said quite a bit and rambled a great deal but my point is if you see someone who wants to give up on life, try to talk them out of it. Sometimes your words won't get through, in that case their are other methods you can use but you can't ever be certain of the right choice in life. All you can do is your best and at the end of the day, having tried your best, you won't regret it later on in life.

Death and suicide may be the cowards way out, but you can help those people to become better, help them so that they choose to live. Show them what life has to offer if you must, but essentially, its possible to turn a coward into a brave person by giving them meaning and a reason to live. >.> Something everyone needs even if they have nothing left is that reason.

Sorry its so long. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:01 am


Well I think a little more light can be shed on this. With two examples. One girl I knew was a victimizer. She made up lies about people and I once bought into all of it since she would sit outside of my club just attempting to slit her own wrist with anything she could get her hands on. It was until I tried to pull away to have a life of my own than to only console her, that she made up a lie about my mother, telling everyone about it an how my mom told her off or insulted her so now she was going to kill herself. I confronted her of course and after that mess, alot of people didn't trust her anymore. Ever since then, she's done worse and worse for attention.

this scenario, I would believe if a mental or emotional disability. There is such things in which people would go to the lowest, (the extreme means is to kill someone close), to get pity. though I can't be entirely sure if she wold resort to that.

Another scenario is a girl I knew who had it all, but when something terrible happened, she fell apart into a deep depression. No one could truly reach her till she finally was convinced to get the help because she attempted suicide since she lost the love of her life. It was sad, but I think it truly makes people rethink things.


People who attempt suicide over a small little insult, or a little word, I truly think is sad in a pitiful way. But aren't deserving of undying attention non stop. Like no different than saying "'I'm going to kill this person, I'll slit their throat, ect, ect," It's not cool and people will take them seriously. And I think they know it.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:53 am


If someone was really serious about suicide, they wouldn't go blabbing it out to the public, that would be stupid. If they have an actual goal they want to achieve, if they REALLY wanted to off themselves, they'd keep it secret and wait for the perfect opportunity to end their life. The more people that know, the more chance people will be able to stop them. I attempted it on about three occasions when I was in a really depressed state so I have at least a slight understanding on how that mentality works. My family doesn't know any of the attempts ever occurred, as a result I didn't knowingly upset anyone along the way.

Sometimes people will test how well others love them by actually attempting it for attention: if they're lovers/family/friends make it in time then bravo the suicider isn't dead- but if they don't, the person dies while overcome with a feeling of worthlessness and being unloved, they welcome the cold embrace of death to put them out of their own misery.

If someone goes on spouting how badly they want to kill themselves, I tell them to get it over with and do the world a favor. If they truly ment it, they'd have done it already in solitude. A cry for help is a cry for help, and I don't feel like reaching out for that hand.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:37 am


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If someone was really serious about suicide, they wouldn't go blabbing it out to the public, that would be stupid. If they have an actual goal they want to achieve, if they REALLY wanted to off themselves, they'd keep it secret and wait for the perfect opportunity to end their life. The more people that know, the more chance people will be able to stop them. I attempted it on about three occasions when I was in a really depressed state so I have at least a slight understanding on how that mentality works. My family doesn't know any of the attempts ever occurred, as a result I didn't knowingly upset anyone along the way.

Sometimes people will test how well others love them by actually attempting it for attention: if they're lovers/family/friends make it in time then bravo the suicider isn't dead- but if they don't, the person dies while overcome with a feeling of worthlessness and being unloved, they welcome the cold embrace of death to put them out of their own misery.

If someone goes on spouting how badly they want to kill themselves, I tell them to get it over with and do the world a favor. If they truly ment it, they'd have done it already in solitude. A cry for help is a cry for help, and I don't feel like reaching out for that hand.


What if someone asked you for help directly without threatening to kill themselves? Would you still refuse to help them? That seems so... cold D=
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:47 am


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If someone was really serious about suicide, they wouldn't go blabbing it out to the public, that would be stupid. If they have an actual goal they want to achieve, if they REALLY wanted to off themselves, they'd keep it secret and wait for the perfect opportunity to end their life. The more people that know, the more chance people will be able to stop them. I attempted it on about three occasions when I was in a really depressed state so I have at least a slight understanding on how that mentality works. My family doesn't know any of the attempts ever occurred, as a result I didn't knowingly upset anyone along the way.

Sometimes people will test how well others love them by actually attempting it for attention: if they're lovers/family/friends make it in time then bravo the suicider isn't dead- but if they don't, the person dies while overcome with a feeling of worthlessness and being unloved, they welcome the cold embrace of death to put them out of their own misery.

If someone goes on spouting how badly they want to kill themselves, I tell them to get it over with and do the world a favor. If they truly ment it, they'd have done it already in solitude. A cry for help is a cry for help, and I don't feel like reaching out for that hand.


What if someone asked you for help directly without threatening to kill themselves? Would you still refuse to help them? That seems so... cold D=


THEN I'd help, but only because they're being honest with me and they aren't making a show out of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:51 pm



What saddens me is that a lot of these attention whores fail to see, at all, all the things they have and could appreciate if they just stopped hosting pity parties for themselves.

Life's not all that bad.
As for the people who are really feeling the rock bottom...
If it's bad right now, it gets better. If you kill yourself, it won't get better because it's already over. Don't use a permanent solution to a temporary problem. ..If you were alive, you would regret it.

And no one should ever see a child, a friend, a loved one die. It happens every day, without people wanting it to happen. So don't just make it happen with your own hands, not thinking about the feelings of everyone around you.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:55 pm


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Suicidal people disgust me. If they were really suicidal, they'd already be dead. Attention whores talk2hand

That is an incredibly closed-minded thing to say. Many people, if not most people, at least consider suicide at one point or another, even if it is only briefly. Some people are vocal about it. Then they change their minds later. That doesn't mean they were just seeking attention.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:02 am


The reason why Haitians (well it makes sense to me) don't complain about that kind of thing is because they're used to poverty and a "bad" quality of life. In America, people are more acquainted with getting what they want. There was a time where I felt confused with my life and felt that nothing was working out. To me at that point, my family wasn't caring, my friends didn't care, life was in ruins. It's not always the tangible losses, but more of your mentality that gives one the idea of suicide.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:57 pm


It's pretty tough living in our day and age. Minds are alot more fragile than they were during times past (baby boomers and World Wars past). Children have pressure on them constantly. College, school in general is a HUGE pressure on someone. Not everyone has the strong determination or will to live alot of times. It comes from having a horrid past, weak living environments, some people it's genetics (I'm definitely someone who suffers from depression), and lack of things to live for. Some people can't cope with living just to live, they have to find some sort of purpose or meaning in their life. I mean, look at Japan and alot of Asian countries, their suicide rates are high. They have population crisis, food is scarce, the education systems are rougher than all hell, and they get pressure from their families if they never succeed at anything in their lives. I mean, I'm sure alot of our asian members understand this. We live in a pretty disturbing age, once again. It doesn't help we have the media/television/internet/trendcrap pressuring alot of kids as well. Singing out "If you're not as hip as us, you're not worth s**t." : I've seen people come and go because of that stress and lost alot of friends in HS from it. Debt causes alot of repressed feelings, and so does struggling. It's hard to stay positive in this recession of insanity. I just hope alot of people can persevere and try not to self-destruct. I know I've been on the edge of that thin line in my life before as well.

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