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 Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:02 pm
A Doll Named Mouse Alpha Drug Mouse, that outfit will look adorible. And you shouldn't let the big brand wolf scare you. Haha I made a funny. XD If I lived anywhere NEAR Seattle and not Washington, D.C. I'd totally hangout with you and tell you how awesome your hair is and I wish mine were like yours. XD Aww, thanks! Of your ever in the DC/VA/MD area call me up and we shall chill. I'd have a lolita meet up in your honor or something. XD
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:14 pm
In my experiance, most of the lolita you meet will be nice. Be willing to listen to constructive criticism, and if anybody comments on it, simply smile and say that you cannot afford to pay that much for a dress, do they have any recommendations on how to make it nicer? Always treat rudeness with politeness, it can be hard, but its worth it. People will either respond politely, or you can remove yourself from their presence.
I've only once had a negative experience with another lolita where that didn't work. Once, somebody commented that my dress was lovely, and asked me what brand it was. When i told her i made it, she said it was a shame i couldn't fit into brand. I smiled and said 'yeah, its a shame brand doesn't fit me, but hey, i can sew.' and she said 'yeah, but home-made just isn't the same.' and i told her that to me, it may not be the same, but its just as good, since even if i fit brand, i couldn't afford it. Since i have more time then money, and enjoy sewing, this seemed like a good workaround for that issue. and she just kept going on about how if i couldn't afford it, maybe i should get a job. I explained that being a full-time student, it is hard to find a job, and as she so indelicately pointed out, brand doesn't fit me. After a few more comments i politely removed myself from the conversation. (Oh, my word, is that the time? I have to meet somebody for lunch, excuse me~!)
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:53 am
A Doll Named Mouse Okay, I think this thread got out of hand. Please, ladies, let's stop. I'm pretty sure Ren only meant that about the girls who would say something rude about my outfit (rude comments tend to stem from jealousy, or some other negative emotion), and not ladies who buy brand in general. At least that's how I understood it. I don't think anyone here thinks badly about anyone who buys brand just because they buy brand. That's ridiculous. I'm in this forum because I like lolita, brand included. I didn't mean for this thread to get anyone riled up. If it's a problem, please let me know, and I'll ask for it to be locked or something. My worries are based on experience. There will always be mean people, in any fashion, anywhere. I'm an adult and I deal with them. I also know many brand lolita who really appreciate my thrift and handmade stuff and don't care that it's not big brand. If I thought brand lolita were stuck up or rude, I wouldn't be in this forum. The issue is the general sentiment towards Bodyline and the complete lack of brand. For example, ladies at work have said things that translate to, "it's cute but kind of a shame. Maybe she's poor." What I'm asking is if that sentiment has changed. If not, I'm not really interested in the panel. However, from the responses I've gotten here, it seems that it's not much to worry about, so I might give it a shot, but I would still like to hear from someone who has had experience at a panel either wearing, or with someone who was wearing Bodyline. Also, I would like to clear up, because I really don't want it to be misinterpreted, my comment in the original post about priorities. I do not mean that buying brand means you're priorities are out of order. I mean that if I were to buy brand before I publish my novel and buy a house, then I would be going against my own, personal priorities. Key words here, Me, My, I. Nothing wrong with saving up and buying brand. If you worked and saved for it, you deserve what you want. I'm just saving for motorcycles and a house, is all, and I can't justify buying brand until I buy the things I consider more important to myself. Especially since I love having LOTS of clothes, and LOTS of brand would reeeeeally dent my spend-thrift funds.Mouse, I think my tone came off differently than I expected. I'm not angry or riled up. What I was doing was giving another point of view to the brand/nonbrand argument. That's all. I just get tired of flouncing so it probably came off worse than intended. All I was trying to do was stir debate where she apparently ran off- because she hasn't responded. Also, I wasn't responding to your list of priorities. I didn't quote the part where Ren said Quote: Shove all your Bodyline stuff down their throat and laugh because they had to pay up the butt to look as good as you do That's the quote I was replying to when talking about prices of brand- not your priorities. For me, I usually have more money than time. I go to college with more than a full load- usually 16units, plus have a job for 15-20 hours a week, and a boyfriend. I'd rather spend the time I have doing homework or relaxing with him. Your priorities are completely your right and of course I can respect that you want to get certain things accomplished before you start dressing in overly expensive frills. I'm not telling you clothes should dominate your life. That's just silly. For one, it should be mentioned that no one should ever insinuate that they would shove anything up or down someones thoat/a**/whatever other orifice for any reason whatsoever. It's not ladylike, it's not kind, and we don't need anyone starting fights within the Lolita community. Sorry for the confusion. As for you most recent question, I've worn on multiple occasions, Bodyline to lolita panels at anime conventions. I wore my pink Fruits Parlor replica skirt and actually was approached by a girl wearing a real FP jsk. She said "that looks so cute on you! We're print twins, let's take a picture!" Later on we actually became friends, and I know for a fact she knew it was Bodyline. Like I said- as long as you look cute, you're cool.  Chelsea (left) and me (right) I drive from SF to Santa Cruz to visit her, Julia and Lindsay every so often. At the Fanime lolita panels (I go every year, and am friends with the girl that organizes it), it's really not unusual to have Bodyline outfits going down the runway. Of course most of the outfits are brand, but the announcer will say something to the extent of "and this is a Bodyline outfit. It's still super cute, and won't annihilate your wallet! It's a cheaper example of lolita, while still being good quality clothing". Usually there's a Q&A session where girls such as yourself ask questions like "will I be made fun of for wearing home made lolita?" and the response, every time, is "Only by douchebags." I hope that helps you.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:24 am
kochi~mochi In my experiance, most of the lolita you meet will be nice. Be willing to listen to constructive criticism, and if anybody comments on it, simply smile and say that you cannot afford to pay that much for a dress, do they have any recommendations on how to make it nicer? Always treat rudeness with politeness, it can be hard, but its worth it. People will either respond politely, or you can remove yourself from their presence. I've only once had a negative experience with another lolita where that didn't work. Once, somebody commented that my dress was lovely, and asked me what brand it was. When i told her i made it, she said it was a shame i couldn't fit into brand. I smiled and said 'yeah, its a shame brand doesn't fit me, but hey, i can sew.' and she said 'yeah, but home-made just isn't the same.' and i told her that to me, it may not be the same, but its just as good, since even if i fit brand, i couldn't afford it. Since i have more time then money, and enjoy sewing, this seemed like a good workaround for that issue. and she just kept going on about how if i couldn't afford it, maybe i should get a job. I explained that being a full-time student, it is hard to find a job, and as she so indelicately pointed out, brand doesn't fit me. After a few more comments i politely removed myself from the conversation. (Oh, my word, is that the time? I have to meet somebody for lunch, excuse me~!) *eye twitch* I might have slapped her... *controls urges* But really, seems like she was just a rude girl in general. It seems like I don't have much to worry about, and it's not like a panel where they outright suggest on the description that you wear brand only. I think I'll just dress my best and see how it goes, and if anyone makes a rude comment, I'll deal. As long as it's not a whole room full of rude comments. In which case, you make a good point, I can always just leave. What are they going to do, stone me? I'm staff! lol. Thanks for your input! smile
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:33 am
Mouse, I think my tone came off differently than I expected. I'm not angry or riled up. What I was doing was giving another point of view to the brand/nonbrand argument. That's all. I just get tired of flouncing so it probably came off worse than intended. All I was trying to do was stir debate where she apparently ran off- because she hasn't responded. Also, I wasn't responding to your list of priorities. I didn't quote the part where Ren said Quote: Shove all your Bodyline stuff down their throat and laugh because they had to pay up the butt to look as good as you do That's the quote I was replying to when talking about prices of brand- not your priorities. For me, I usually have more money than time. I go to college with more than a full load- usually 16units, plus have a job for 15-20 hours a week, and a boyfriend. I'd rather spend the time I have doing homework or relaxing with him. Your priorities are completely your right and of course I can respect that you want to get certain things accomplished before you start dressing in overly expensive frills. I'm not telling you clothes should dominate your life. That's just silly. For one, it should be mentioned that no one should ever insinuate that they would shove anything up or down someones thoat/a**/whatever other orifice for any reason whatsoever. It's not ladylike, it's not kind, and we don't need anyone starting fights within the Lolita community. Sorry for the confusion. As for you most recent question, I've worn on multiple occasions, Bodyline to lolita panels at anime conventions. I wore my pink Fruits Parlor replica skirt and actually was approached by a girl wearing a real FP jsk. She said "that looks so cute on you! We're print twins, let's take a picture!" Later on we actually became friends, and I know for a fact she knew it was Bodyline. Like I said- as long as you look cute, you're cool. Chelsea (left) and me (right) I drive from SF to Santa Cruz to visit her, Julia and Lindsay every so often. At the Fanime lolita panels (I go every year, and am friends with the girl that organizes it), it's really not unusual to have Bodyline outfits going down the runway. Of course most of the outfits are brand, but the announcer will say something to the extent of "and this is a Bodyline outfit. It's still super cute, and won't annihilate your wallet! It's a cheaper example of lolita, while still being good quality clothing". Usually there's a Q&A session where girls such as yourself ask questions like "will I be made fun of for wearing home made lolita?" and the response, every time, is "Only by douchebags." I hope that helps you. Oh, the priorities thing was not about anyone saying anything, I just re-read it and realized that it might get misinterpreted, so I just wanted to clear it up just in case, no worries! Yeah, let's just let all the verbal sniping go, I'm sure if we were to all meet each other, we'd get along great. The web is easier to misinterpret things. Yes, that helps a lot, thank you for your input. That's a perfect example of why I should go. I will definitely consider going to the panel.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:35 am
BTW, I couldn't tell off hand which one was replica and which was original fp... O_o Maybe I should... *click click, buy buy*
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:45 am
I was going to come in and intercede, but it looks like you guys handled it. ^_^;;;
As for brand v. off-brand, really don't worry about it. Most of the "horror" stories I've ever heard were greatly exaggerated that I've ever seen [such as the girl in question not actually being in lolita, which ... defeats the purpose of the stories].
I've been to meet-ups in several states, and with girls who have a wide variety of tastes [the St. Louis girls are mostly Home-Brew, Hand-Made and off-brand or indie brand fans, the Houston girls are primarily Meta/IW/Baby fans, and the California girls I met were piled up with AP thanks to PMX], and have not been treated badly for what I was wearing in the least. This phenomenon seems far more prevalent on the 'net than anything, and even then it's limited to a relatively small number considering the size of the community.
[Also, my "bad" experiences were due more to people's nerves being frazzled/stressed than anything to do with the clothing I happened to be wearing.]
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:01 am
spuntino I was going to come in and intercede, but it looks like you guys handled it. ^_^;;;
As for brand v. off-brand, really don't worry about it. Most of the "horror" stories I've ever heard were greatly exaggerated that I've ever seen [such as the girl in question not actually being in lolita, which ... defeats the purpose of the stories].
I've been to meet-ups in several states, and with girls who have a wide variety of tastes [the St. Louis girls are mostly Home-Brew, Hand-Made and off-brand or indie brand fans, the Houston girls are primarily Meta/IW/Baby fans, and the California girls I met were piled up with AP thanks to PMX], and have not been treated badly for what I was wearing in the least. This phenomenon seems far more prevalent on the 'net than anything, and even then it's limited to a relatively small number considering the size of the community.
[Also, my "bad" experiences were due more to people's nerves being frazzled/stressed than anything to do with the clothing I happened to be wearing.]
Thanks ^^;; Hmm, sounds good then. I will probably go. I too have only had a few comments about wearing bodyline, but they weren't terribly rude about it and the guy that made a comment was kind of an elitist lolita fan anyway and not the nicest person to begin with. It seems like girls value doing the fashion right and not brand, so I really want to go and meet some other girls that I can actually hang out with since I live so far away from the rest of you! T^T
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:24 pm
That's generally what I've found, yes. I wear a giant ******** of brand and offbrand, as well as a few hand made pieces [I admit, I'm no seamstress, but I can churn out accessories and skirts if I try]. It's wearing it well, following the [basic] rules of the style, and making it your own that counts, not where the piece came from.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:03 pm
A Doll Named Mouse spuntino I was going to come in and intercede, but it looks like you guys handled it. ^_^;;;
As for brand v. off-brand, really don't worry about it. Most of the "horror" stories I've ever heard were greatly exaggerated that I've ever seen [such as the girl in question not actually being in lolita, which ... defeats the purpose of the stories].
I've been to meet-ups in several states, and with girls who have a wide variety of tastes [the St. Louis girls are mostly Home-Brew, Hand-Made and off-brand or indie brand fans, the Houston girls are primarily Meta/IW/Baby fans, and the California girls I met were piled up with AP thanks to PMX], and have not been treated badly for what I was wearing in the least. This phenomenon seems far more prevalent on the 'net than anything, and even then it's limited to a relatively small number considering the size of the community.
[Also, my "bad" experiences were due more to people's nerves being frazzled/stressed than anything to do with the clothing I happened to be wearing.]
Thanks ^^;; Hmm, sounds good then. I will probably go. I too have only had a few comments about wearing bodyline, but they weren't terribly rude about it and the guy that made a comment was kind of an elitist lolita fan anyway and not the nicest person to begin with. It seems like girls value doing the fashion right and not brand, so I really want to go and meet some other girls that I can actually hang out with since I live so far away from the rest of you! T^T I don't know about outside of California, but there's a huge difference between Northern and Southern California, as well. NorCal seems to be overall more accepting of brand, off-brand, homemade and whatever else. They have the Btssb up in SF, so there's a lot more of that brand up there. These people are more into Lolita to make friends and have fun. SoCal is a different story altogether. PMX is only a small portion of the reason for AP's popularity. It seems (to me) that brand is much more coveted in Southern California because of the associated expenses (shopping services, shipping, etc). SoCal is very into fashion competition (thanks, LA and Hollywood)- it's very much a ratrace for the fullest (and most Expensive!) wardrobe. SoCal girls seem to love showing off newest purchases- and are a little more elitist in their attitudes toward brand and off-brand. That's just my experience from living on both ends of Cali.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:07 pm
A Doll Named Mouse BTW, I couldn't tell off hand which one was replica and which was original fp... O_o Maybe I should... *click click, buy buy* Literally the only difference is the lace (which is not noticeable from pictures) and the fact that mine does not say "Angelic Pretty" in glitter all over it. It's hardly even noticeable that it's missing the brand label. I'd say it's good quality and worth getting!
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:25 pm
*looks at the list of clothes, makes the mistake of perusing the site* OMFG!!!! If someone actually bitches about you not being in brand it means they spent way too long looking at the shop! Bodyline has some amazing stuff and I count everything you posted as Lolita! I personally think you'll have no problem at a Lolita meet or panel! biggrin *runs off with a girly squee to go look at the site again* I wish I'd found that place sooner!
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:59 pm
@ Kongming Shu-de lol, I know right?! I'm in love with that place! It's like having a Costco membership for lolita, XD.
@ C a t h a r s i s, yeah, I've heard it can be like that in some places. I've not a clue yet as to what it's like in WA, since I've never been to a meetup or known anyone whose worn off brand to a WA meetup, but we'll see. Worst case scenario, I'll just leave, but I really hope it's more like N Cal. Seattle isn't quite the fashion scene as SoCal or NY, but more the international hangout.
Yeah, so cute, but I think Bodyline is out of it? I'll keep my eyes open. I'm usually into blacks, browns, dark colors, but something about that pattern... I'm a sucker for mint green too (fav color) so I might have to sweet it up. ^^
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