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Wolf Nightshade

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:08 pm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dao_(sword)

The dao was never used as a cuting tool like a machete

The old japasnese swords are strait like this one.
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Kusanagi-no-tsurugi is a legendary Japanese sword, as important to
Japan's history as Excalibur is of Britain's. The actual Kusanagi is likely to have been a sword in the style of the Bronze Age, typically double-edged, short and straight .

The history of this sword extends into legend when the Japanese god, Susano-O-No-Mikoto encountered a grieving family headed by Ashi-Na-Zuchi. Upon inquiry, the elder told that his family was ravaged by the fearsome 8-headed serpent of Koshi who consumed seven of the family's eight daughters and the creature was coming for his final daughter, Kushi-Nada-Hime. Susano-O proceeded forward to investigate the creature, and after an abortive encounter he returned with a plan to defeat it. In return, he asked for Kushi-Nada-Hime's hand in marriage which was agreed. Transforming her temporarily into a comb to have her company during the battle, he detailed his plan.

He instructed the preparation of 8 vats of sake to be put on individual platforms positioned behind a fence with 8 gates. The monster took the bait and put each of its heads through each of the gates. With the necessary distraction provided, Susano-O attacked and slew the beast. He decapitated each of the heads and then proceeded to the tails. In the fourth tail, he discovered a great sword inside the body of the dragon which he called Murakakumo-No-Tsurugi which he presented to the goddess, Amaterasu to settle an old grievance.

Generations later in the reign of the 12th emperor, Keiko, the sword was given to the great warrior, Yamato-Takeru as part of a pair of gifts given by his aunt, Yamato-Hime the Shrine Maiden of Ise, to protect her nephew in times of peril.

These gifts came in handy when Yamato-Takeru was lured onto an open grassland during a hunting expedition by a treacherous warlord. The lord had fiery arrows fired to ignite the grass to trap Yamato-Takeru in the field and have him burn to death and killed the warrior's horse to prevent his escape. Desperately, Yamato-Takeru used Murakakumo-No-Tsurugi to cut back the grass to remove fuel from the fire, but in doing so, he discovered that the sword enabled him to control the wind around to make it move in the direction he swung. Taking advantage of the magic, Yamato-Takeru used his other gift, fire strikers, to enlarge the fire in the direction of the lord and his men and used the winds controlled by the sword to sweep the blaze toward them to kill them. In triumph, Yamato-Takeru renamed Murakakumo-No-Tsurugi as Kusanagi to commemorate his narrow escape and victory.

Eventually, Yamato-Takeru married and fell in battle with a monster after ignoring his wife's advice to take Kusanagi with him.

In historical times, the emperor possessed a real sword with this name. Along with the jewel and the mirror, it was one of the three imperial regalia until the Battle of Dannoura, a naval battle that ended in the defeat of the forces of the child Emperor Antoku at the hands of Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Upon hearing of the defeat, the emperor's grandmother led the Emperor and his entourage to commit suicide in the waters of the strait along with three important artifacts which included Kusanagi. Although the enemy managed to stop a handful of them and recovered two of the three items of the Emperor, Kusanagi was never found.

The 10th Emperor, Sujin, had ordered the fashioning of a replica of Kusanagi. It was placed at the Atsuta Shrine in Nagoya.

The Katana that have no gards and are plain wood looking Shirasaya are in a protective case used for swords that are not used much the swords that are referd to as Zatoichi swords were used when the sword ban came along Zatoichi is not the name of a sword it is used now as a link to that sword style do to the movies of the blind swordsman

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http://users4.ev1.net/~kagemusha/japanese_sword_glossary.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana

http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/sugata/shape.htm
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:00 am


Could you point out to me in the article where it says the dao was never a woods tool? I can't find it. sweatdrop

Also, I don't entirely trust an open-ended tome like Wikipedia. I find it interesting, but anybody can post on it (I personally contributed to the Bruce Lee article a few years back, I'm embarassed to say.)

Good on ya for the Kusanagi story. Just to add to it, Kusanagi means "Grasscutter".

As for Zatoichi...I'm a fanboy, and I think it just eases communication since so many people recognize what you're talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Itto Ryu invention, though, given the lore around it.

Laren


Wolf Nightshade

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:54 am


Laren
Could you point out to me in the article where it says the dao was never a woods tool? I can't find it. sweatdrop

Also, I don't entirely trust an open-ended tome like Wikipedia. I find it interesting, but anybody can post on it (I personally contributed to the Bruce Lee article a few years back, I'm embarassed to say.)

Good on ya for the Kusanagi story. Just to add to it, Kusanagi means "Grasscutter".

As for Zatoichi...I'm a fanboy, and I think it just eases communication since so many people recognize what you're talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Itto Ryu invention, though, given the lore around it.


As far back as I have ever been able to read the dao has always been a favored weapon of the military. It was easy to learn the basics and it was good for people on horse back as well as on the ground I have never read any thing in any of my books or on the net about people useing them for cuting brush. The dao is considered the marshall of all chinese weapons to me it would be like saying katanas were used for that It could have but I have never herd of it where did you here it.

As for the sword Kusanagi its a legendary sword I was useing it as a way to show people swords that were older than the katana in japanese history I found a page once that had a few in a museum but could only find that sword.
http://www.japan-101.com/history/kusanagi.htm

Here are a few of the books I have on kung fu they go over terminology, history techniques and styles.

Kung Fu Elements: Wushu Training and Martial Arts Application Manual

Art of Shaolin Kung Fu: The Secrets of Kung Fu for Self-Defense Health and Enlightenment
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:01 pm


The prolific use of the dao was part of why it was chosen as a weapon. If you look at the Boxer rebellion, the blades the Taoist rebels used bore the marks of being used as tools.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just adding ve proven yourse. If anything, you'lf both knowledgable and resourceful, which I respect.rather

Laren


Laren

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:10 am


Just wanted to comment on something. Some people are commenting on a katana sword grip where the hands are together instead of apart. It's a Korean style, called Kumdo. They have similar tactics, but there's a lot more variation in Kumdo. For one thing, they use both straight and curved blades (though curved blades are more popular now). They also have a reverse-blade style (used by the character of John Preston in the movie Equilibrium), and three, two-sword styles (one with both swords forward, one with one sword forward and the other reversed, and the last with both reversed). The dual sword style is called Ssang Jang Gum.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:33 am


You mean haidong gumdo right? ; Not much base in ancient swordmanship but a delight to look at smile . Kumdo is just korean for kendo, same with Yudo.

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