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 Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:28 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Why not? And omnipresence =/= omnipotence, btw. No, it wouldn't, at least not as we know it. Besides, I really don't want to get into that because I don't have anything except my mouth to shoot off for this one. I'm arguing that we can't know everything He knows, and that there's no reason to expect evidence. We don't have loads, because we die. And unless we had an infinite amount, it still wouldn't be enough to learn everything. And I do believe the world is gonna end soon, but what's that got to do with anything?
I know they aren't the same. =__= I'm saying, if something is omnipotent, then it must also be omnipresent. Omnipotence is related to omnipresence as to how it was made. Omnipotent beings are also omnipresent because of the entire meaning to omnipotent. Not just "all-powerful" but a lot more is there.
and why is that? That is the problem I am getting at. >.<
I meant the human race itself.
We aren't talking about knowing everything, but the basic and important knowings of God. Why is it that we can't know that? :
It is not impossible to learn everything. Maybe for one person, yes, but we are talking an entire race itself.
I was just relating the world might live longer than almost being destroyed like what the crappy Mayan Calender 2012 states.Sorry I've been gone a while, my computer's been having problems. >< Time's a dimension, like depth or width. It might be measured or defined by man, but time is not man's creation. It is God's, so of course He can be outside of it. Some of those things we can't know either. There's always going to be things man can't completely understand. We still wonder over love, and there's complex problems our greatest minds may never figure out. And I didn't realize you were speaking of the entire race, but I still disagree. Say what you will, I believe man will destroy itself before we have the chance to learn everything, and if we don't, there will still be knowledge beyond our grasp. Oh, that. I bet it's gonna be 2013, just for the irony. XD
Wait wait, you can't just say Time is a dimension because it exists. Time is a concept and therefor does not exist, JUST like math. Width, Length, Volume, those actually DO exist. You can prove that. However, time is more of a measurement of something that is abstract. Just because it would be cool, because we go into the past and future, and just because the idea of going through time is thought of, does not mean the concept is real. and besides, I have told you time and time again that you can't be Omnipotent without Omnipresence.
Opinion after opinion I see...
Then all I can say is we can just wait.
XD lol. Nah. Nothing will happen in 2012 I bet. I remember one kid said it was going to be the rapture, but that made no sense. XD
Mostly because, as it is said in the Christian book, the rapture will only come when least expected. If anything, a lot of people are expecting the end of the world right now.I'm actually probably not gonna be around much. I'll be on occasionally, but with my desktop having problems, I'm at my sister's mercy. crying We know time exists because we move forward in it. We can't stop a second from passing, or do anything but live in it. As for it it being a dimension, I'm gonna see what I can find on that. The other three dimensions are spatial, which makes me wonder whether time counts or not. Anyway, just because it's abstract, doesn't mean it's not real (if that's what you're saying. I'm getting the distinct feeling I missed the point). Yep. ^^ I don't know about the Rapture being real, but I wouldn't be surprised if the world did end. There's a major species wipeout going on, the earth's temperature is going up, there's meteors they think are gonna wipe us out, there's overpopulation and the constant war problem, and of course some idiot could unleash a nuclear warhead and kill many people. Besides that, we're discovering things at an increased rate, like they believe they may discover the secret of immortality, or something close to it soon. I think the Lord doesn't want us to know that, so He'll come back before that happens. And the Gospel has been spread in a great many places, and once it's been everywhere, that's supposed to be another sign He'll be back soon.
Take love for example...
You can not feel, smell, hear, taste, ect...
However, the concept we have made still exist, the bond between two people.
Get what I mean? Time DOES exist but that doesn't mean it is a dimension just as love is.
Do not get me wrong, there will be a mass murder, I assure you.
Only problem is depending on a number of things...
who will hold the knife and will care?
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:23 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Why not? And omnipresence =/= omnipotence, btw. No, it wouldn't, at least not as we know it. Besides, I really don't want to get into that because I don't have anything except my mouth to shoot off for this one. I'm arguing that we can't know everything He knows, and that there's no reason to expect evidence. We don't have loads, because we die. And unless we had an infinite amount, it still wouldn't be enough to learn everything. And I do believe the world is gonna end soon, but what's that got to do with anything?
I know they aren't the same. =__= I'm saying, if something is omnipotent, then it must also be omnipresent. Omnipotence is related to omnipresence as to how it was made. Omnipotent beings are also omnipresent because of the entire meaning to omnipotent. Not just "all-powerful" but a lot more is there.
and why is that? That is the problem I am getting at. >.<
I meant the human race itself.
We aren't talking about knowing everything, but the basic and important knowings of God. Why is it that we can't know that? :
It is not impossible to learn everything. Maybe for one person, yes, but we are talking an entire race itself.
I was just relating the world might live longer than almost being destroyed like what the crappy Mayan Calender 2012 states.Sorry I've been gone a while, my computer's been having problems. >< Time's a dimension, like depth or width. It might be measured or defined by man, but time is not man's creation. It is God's, so of course He can be outside of it. Some of those things we can't know either. There's always going to be things man can't completely understand. We still wonder over love, and there's complex problems our greatest minds may never figure out. And I didn't realize you were speaking of the entire race, but I still disagree. Say what you will, I believe man will destroy itself before we have the chance to learn everything, and if we don't, there will still be knowledge beyond our grasp. Oh, that. I bet it's gonna be 2013, just for the irony. XD
Wait wait, you can't just say Time is a dimension because it exists. Time is a concept and therefor does not exist, JUST like math. Width, Length, Volume, those actually DO exist. You can prove that. However, time is more of a measurement of something that is abstract. Just because it would be cool, because we go into the past and future, and just because the idea of going through time is thought of, does not mean the concept is real. and besides, I have told you time and time again that you can't be Omnipotent without Omnipresence.
Opinion after opinion I see...
Then all I can say is we can just wait.
XD lol. Nah. Nothing will happen in 2012 I bet. I remember one kid said it was going to be the rapture, but that made no sense. XD
Mostly because, as it is said in the Christian book, the rapture will only come when least expected. If anything, a lot of people are expecting the end of the world right now.I'm actually probably not gonna be around much. I'll be on occasionally, but with my desktop having problems, I'm at my sister's mercy. crying We know time exists because we move forward in it. We can't stop a second from passing, or do anything but live in it. As for it it being a dimension, I'm gonna see what I can find on that. The other three dimensions are spatial, which makes me wonder whether time counts or not. Anyway, just because it's abstract, doesn't mean it's not real (if that's what you're saying. I'm getting the distinct feeling I missed the point). Yep. ^^ I don't know about the Rapture being real, but I wouldn't be surprised if the world did end. There's a major species wipeout going on, the earth's temperature is going up, there's meteors they think are gonna wipe us out, there's overpopulation and the constant war problem, and of course some idiot could unleash a nuclear warhead and kill many people. Besides that, we're discovering things at an increased rate, like they believe they may discover the secret of immortality, or something close to it soon. I think the Lord doesn't want us to know that, so He'll come back before that happens. And the Gospel has been spread in a great many places, and once it's been everywhere, that's supposed to be another sign He'll be back soon. Well, the other three are directional. I heard a good analogy for this- Imagine you are supposed to meet in a building. The first two dimensions are used to find that building on a map, and the correct room in that building. The third dimension tells you which floor. The fourth dimension is when you are to meet- If you get any of them wrong, you will miss the meeting. So in that regard, time is a locational dimension because it specifies where something is. Ah, okay. That's the way I was thinking of it. smile
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:25 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo soyjoy229 What makes a perfect God? I can sum that up in one, or four word. God. Jesus. And the Holy Spirit. By the way I'm Blue's sister, if you're going to yell at someone, yell at her. She's being simple. She's an rper, not a debater, so she doesn't really know how to back up her points. Plus she's only in middle school. Edit: Not that rpers or middle-schoolers can't debate, I just mean she's more of an expert on how to find good rps and be lit and make good post designs. She doesn't tend to argue theology. Sorry, she doesn't. >< Thanks for bringing it up though. She loves PJO, and she's getting into FMA, but for some reason she's stopped liking guilds. She's mainly in the forums now.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:28 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Why not? And omnipresence =/= omnipotence, btw. No, it wouldn't, at least not as we know it. Besides, I really don't want to get into that because I don't have anything except my mouth to shoot off for this one. I'm arguing that we can't know everything He knows, and that there's no reason to expect evidence. We don't have loads, because we die. And unless we had an infinite amount, it still wouldn't be enough to learn everything. And I do believe the world is gonna end soon, but what's that got to do with anything?
I know they aren't the same. =__= I'm saying, if something is omnipotent, then it must also be omnipresent. Omnipotence is related to omnipresence as to how it was made. Omnipotent beings are also omnipresent because of the entire meaning to omnipotent. Not just "all-powerful" but a lot more is there.
and why is that? That is the problem I am getting at. >.<
I meant the human race itself.
We aren't talking about knowing everything, but the basic and important knowings of God. Why is it that we can't know that? :
It is not impossible to learn everything. Maybe for one person, yes, but we are talking an entire race itself.
I was just relating the world might live longer than almost being destroyed like what the crappy Mayan Calender 2012 states.Sorry I've been gone a while, my computer's been having problems. >< Time's a dimension, like depth or width. It might be measured or defined by man, but time is not man's creation. It is God's, so of course He can be outside of it. Some of those things we can't know either. There's always going to be things man can't completely understand. We still wonder over love, and there's complex problems our greatest minds may never figure out. And I didn't realize you were speaking of the entire race, but I still disagree. Say what you will, I believe man will destroy itself before we have the chance to learn everything, and if we don't, there will still be knowledge beyond our grasp. Oh, that. I bet it's gonna be 2013, just for the irony. XD
Wait wait, you can't just say Time is a dimension because it exists. Time is a concept and therefor does not exist, JUST like math. Width, Length, Volume, those actually DO exist. You can prove that. However, time is more of a measurement of something that is abstract. Just because it would be cool, because we go into the past and future, and just because the idea of going through time is thought of, does not mean the concept is real. and besides, I have told you time and time again that you can't be Omnipotent without Omnipresence.
Opinion after opinion I see...
Then all I can say is we can just wait.
XD lol. Nah. Nothing will happen in 2012 I bet. I remember one kid said it was going to be the rapture, but that made no sense. XD
Mostly because, as it is said in the Christian book, the rapture will only come when least expected. If anything, a lot of people are expecting the end of the world right now.I'm actually probably not gonna be around much. I'll be on occasionally, but with my desktop having problems, I'm at my sister's mercy. crying We know time exists because we move forward in it. We can't stop a second from passing, or do anything but live in it. As for it it being a dimension, I'm gonna see what I can find on that. The other three dimensions are spatial, which makes me wonder whether time counts or not. Anyway, just because it's abstract, doesn't mean it's not real (if that's what you're saying. I'm getting the distinct feeling I missed the point). Yep. ^^ I don't know about the Rapture being real, but I wouldn't be surprised if the world did end. There's a major species wipeout going on, the earth's temperature is going up, there's meteors they think are gonna wipe us out, there's overpopulation and the constant war problem, and of course some idiot could unleash a nuclear warhead and kill many people. Besides that, we're discovering things at an increased rate, like they believe they may discover the secret of immortality, or something close to it soon. I think the Lord doesn't want us to know that, so He'll come back before that happens. And the Gospel has been spread in a great many places, and once it's been everywhere, that's supposed to be another sign He'll be back soon.
Take love for example...
You can not feel, smell, hear, taste, ect...
However, the concept we have made still exist, the bond between two people.
Get what I mean? Time DOES exist but that doesn't mean it is a dimension just as love is.
Do not get me wrong, there will be a mass murder, I assure you.
Only problem is depending on a number of things...
who will hold the knife and will care?Not exactly. We both know time and love both exist, and are abstract. What are we trying to determine? I kinda hope when it begins, I'm one of the first to go. Who wants to stick around and watch the world go to hell? XD
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:33 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Sorry I've been gone a while, my computer's been having problems. >< Time's a dimension, like depth or width. It might be measured or defined by man, but time is not man's creation. It is God's, so of course He can be outside of it. Some of those things we can't know either. There's always going to be things man can't completely understand. We still wonder over love, and there's complex problems our greatest minds may never figure out. And I didn't realize you were speaking of the entire race, but I still disagree. Say what you will, I believe man will destroy itself before we have the chance to learn everything, and if we don't, there will still be knowledge beyond our grasp. Oh, that. I bet it's gonna be 2013, just for the irony. XD
Wait wait, you can't just say Time is a dimension because it exists. Time is a concept and therefor does not exist, JUST like math. Width, Length, Volume, those actually DO exist. You can prove that. However, time is more of a measurement of something that is abstract. Just because it would be cool, because we go into the past and future, and just because the idea of going through time is thought of, does not mean the concept is real. and besides, I have told you time and time again that you can't be Omnipotent without Omnipresence.
Opinion after opinion I see...
Then all I can say is we can just wait.
XD lol. Nah. Nothing will happen in 2012 I bet. I remember one kid said it was going to be the rapture, but that made no sense. XD
Mostly because, as it is said in the Christian book, the rapture will only come when least expected. If anything, a lot of people are expecting the end of the world right now.I'm actually probably not gonna be around much. I'll be on occasionally, but with my desktop having problems, I'm at my sister's mercy. crying We know time exists because we move forward in it. We can't stop a second from passing, or do anything but live in it. As for it it being a dimension, I'm gonna see what I can find on that. The other three dimensions are spatial, which makes me wonder whether time counts or not. Anyway, just because it's abstract, doesn't mean it's not real (if that's what you're saying. I'm getting the distinct feeling I missed the point). Yep. ^^ I don't know about the Rapture being real, but I wouldn't be surprised if the world did end. There's a major species wipeout going on, the earth's temperature is going up, there's meteors they think are gonna wipe us out, there's overpopulation and the constant war problem, and of course some idiot could unleash a nuclear warhead and kill many people. Besides that, we're discovering things at an increased rate, like they believe they may discover the secret of immortality, or something close to it soon. I think the Lord doesn't want us to know that, so He'll come back before that happens. And the Gospel has been spread in a great many places, and once it's been everywhere, that's supposed to be another sign He'll be back soon.
Take love for example...
You can not feel, smell, hear, taste, ect...
However, the concept we have made still exist, the bond between two people.
Get what I mean? Time DOES exist but that doesn't mean it is a dimension just as love is.
Do not get me wrong, there will be a mass murder, I assure you.
Only problem is depending on a number of things...
who will hold the knife and will care?Not exactly. We both know time and love both exist, and are abstract. What are we trying to determine? I kinda hope when it begins, I'm one of the first to go. Who wants to stick around and watch the world go to hell? XD
I remember reading the book by Stephen King's "The Stand".
If it does happen, although I highly doubt it, I would rather stay. I rather do something and help the confused people that need it than leave them to be damned and rot because of some war game toyed against two entities.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:35 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo soyjoy229 What makes a perfect God? I can sum that up in one, or four word. God. Jesus. And the Holy Spirit. By the way I'm Blue's sister, if you're going to yell at someone, yell at her. She's being simple. She's an rper, not a debater, so she doesn't really know how to back up her points. Plus she's only in middle school. Edit: Not that rpers or middle-schoolers can't debate, I just mean she's more of an expert on how to find good rps and be lit and make good post designs. She doesn't tend to argue theology. Sorry, she doesn't. >< Thanks for bringing it up though. She loves PJO, and she's getting into FMA, but for some reason she's stopped liking guilds. She's mainly in the forums now.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:01 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo soyjoy229 What makes a perfect God? I can sum that up in one, or four word. God. Jesus. And the Holy Spirit. By the way I'm Blue's sister, if you're going to yell at someone, yell at her. She's being simple. She's an rper, not a debater, so she doesn't really know how to back up her points. Plus she's only in middle school. Edit: Not that rpers or middle-schoolers can't debate, I just mean she's more of an expert on how to find good rps and be lit and make good post designs. She doesn't tend to argue theology. Sorry, she doesn't. >< Thanks for bringing it up though. She loves PJO, and she's getting into FMA, but for some reason she's stopped liking guilds. She's mainly in the forums now. Not true. I love Full Metal Alchemist, but hate bleach. It's like dragon ball Z, but with more monologues. "Oh, your spiritual pressure is really high!" "That's because I did a special ritual that has nothing to do with the absurd plot! Also, my weapon is special! Let me explain how for five minutes, before I attempt and fail to kill you!" "Carry on, then!" "It uses some sort of poorly thought out gimmick to do something moderately useful in a directly counterable fashion!" "Thanks for telling me, I'll use this information to directly counter it in a boring way so you can gape at me in disbelief for thirty seconds." "Now, let me tell you about my plan to kill you, before you kill me in three attacks or less and move on to a conveniently slightly more powerful enemy who, for some reason, isn't here helping me now considering that with all bajillion of us guarding this random, column filled area could easily kill you if there were more than one of us to a room." Bleach? More like Blech.
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:26 am
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx She's being simple. She's an rper, not a debater, so she doesn't really know how to back up her points. Plus she's only in middle school. Edit: Not that rpers or middle-schoolers can't debate, I just mean she's more of an expert on how to find good rps and be lit and make good post designs. She doesn't tend to argue theology. Sorry, she doesn't. >< Thanks for bringing it up though. She loves PJO, and she's getting into FMA, but for some reason she's stopped liking guilds. She's mainly in the forums now. Not true. I love Full Metal Alchemist, but hate bleach. It's like dragon ball Z, but with more monologues. "Oh, your spiritual pressure is really high!" "That's because I did a special ritual that has nothing to do with the absurd plot! Also, my weapon is special! Let me explain how for five minutes, before I attempt and fail to kill you!" "Carry on, then!" "It uses some sort of poorly thought out gimmick to do something moderately useful in a directly counterable fashion!" "Thanks for telling me, I'll use this information to directly counter it in a boring way so you can gape at me in disbelief for thirty seconds." "Now, let me tell you about my plan to kill you, before you kill me in three attacks or less and move on to a conveniently slightly more powerful enemy who, for some reason, isn't here helping me now considering that with all bajillion of us guarding this random, column filled area could easily kill you if there were more than one of us to a room." Bleach? More like Blech.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:50 pm
spoiler alert: every fight is only slightly more challenging because the main bad guy planned it that way....
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:56 pm
----A God belived in by man often has human characteristics because, people are anthropocentric with a difficult time accepting that something so radically different to them is in truth the "Lord of Men and Cattle", The "God of the Spirit of All Flesh", "The Master Musician" (oh, dear lord string theory!), and effectively owns their lives; but there are aspects of human Gods that are not human in nature or are more complete, such as the Seven Eyes mentioned in Zechariah 3:9, Zechariah 4:10, and Revelation 5:6; It's the fear of something that in it's very nature is not human but that holds dominion over not only their lives but holds absolute dominion over all the universe around them.
----A perfect God is Truth itself, but truth can be eaqually beautiful and equally terrifying... think about it...
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