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 Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:57 pm
What the Bible says:Quote: Leviticus 18:19-23 19 “You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. 20 And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and so make yourself unclean with her. 21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them [2] to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23 And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion. Leviticus 20:13 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Alright. Let's start with the beginning of the two chapters in order to understand the context a bit better. Leviticus 18:1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them,
Leviticus 20:1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Say to the people of Israel, These are commandments being given to the Israelites so the first question we as Christians should be asking here is how do they apply to us if it applies at all? The second is what exactly is meant by them? A man should not lie with another man, it is an abomination. That seems pretty straight forward but you have to remember that what you have here are are ceremonial laws dealing with cleanliness, correct? There is one very vociferous claim by liberal Christians that what is being condemned are practices dealing with pagan fertility worship and not homosexuality. Is there anyone who here who can shed some light and expand on this? *Again, if I missed any scripture you feel is relevant feel free to add it.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:02 pm
A toeyvah is NOT a sin. This passage once again has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Also, Christians have no right to use Levitical Laws, unless they wish to follow them all.
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WickedRentSpringAwakening
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:13 pm
The Mosaic law also says that eating shellfish and birds is an abomination. Abomination meant unclean at the time, not evil.
There are Mosaic laws concerning the killing of a woman if she is not a virgin on her wedding day and killing of children if they don't obey their parents, we don't enforce those.
But, a Bible debate is entirely pointless, and it really doesn't matter what the mosaic law says, gay people are attracted to people of the same sex and it's as simple as that. I'm always wondering why there really is such an outcry. It's like the religious people want to make something out of nothing.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:31 pm
In Medias Res IV A toeyvah is NOT a sin. This passage once again has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Also, Christians have no right to use Levitical Laws, unless they wish to follow them all.
The bible says a lot of crazy things. But we don't use it as justification for killing heathen. And even if we did, or even if we ignore how people who condemn homosexuality using the bible tend to blatantly pick and choose the verses that they agree with and ignore the ones they don't, Leviticus isn't for Christians.
Also, i posted this in the last thread, but Prop 8 The Musical :3
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WickedRentSpringAwakening
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:40 pm
omg, you are awesome, I love that video. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:41 pm
WickedRentSpringAwakening omg, you are awesome, I love that video. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:56 pm
I suppose everything that can be said about this has...
But I really don't understand why Christians feel that they're justified in cherry picking one or two verses out of a part of the Bible that, first of all, is not largely applicable to them, and second of all, they ignore the majority of on a regular basis. Leviticus does arguably state that homosexuality (at least between men; very little is mentioned about female relationships) is a sin, but Leviticus is not a compilation of Christian laws- obviously, it predates Christianity, and it is meant to dictate a predominantly Judaic way of life. And unless a person follows absolutely every regiment detailed in the Torah (better not eat those shellfish or cut your hair!), they have no place selectively idealizing one passage above the rest- after all, it's a kind of blasphemy in and of itself to demean God's word.
So now that the dead horse has been thoroughly beaten...
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:03 am
Shurikenboy I suppose everything that can be said about this has... But I really don't understand why Christians feel that they're justified in cherry picking one or two verses out of a part of the Bible that, first of all, is not largely applicable to them, and second of all, they ignore the majority of on a regular basis. Leviticus does arguably state that homosexuality (at least between men; very little is mentioned about female relationships) is a sin, but Leviticus is not a compilation of Christian laws- obviously, it predates Christianity, and it is meant to dictate a predominantly Judaic way of life. And unless a person follows absolutely every regiment detailed in the Torah (better not eat those shellfish or cut your hair!), they have no place selectively idealizing one passage above the rest- after all, it's a kind of blasphemy in and of itself to demean God's word. So now that the dead horse has been thoroughly beaten...
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