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bakahito

PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 7:20 pm


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I would guess 2,000+, but I think its even more for the some of the complex stuff...


Some characters (like 国and 國) have two different verisions that are technically counted as two seperate characters. The first kuni is taken from simplified Chinese/mutated Japanese readings and the second comes straight from Chinese. In a high level test where you would be expected to read kougo (classical Japanese), you would need to know both characters. Even words like kore sore and are have kanji so you can see that the number adds up very quickly stressed
PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:26 pm


I think students learn 1006 sei (characters) during grade school.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:21 pm


The true number of Kanji numbers in the many thousands (I think my electronic dictionary claims to have 12,000 or something excessive) but many of these are classical forms or more complicated forms of what's in use today. In 1946, in order simplify things and promote literacy, the government made a list of "Touyou Kanji" (Kanji for general use) and requested newspapers and magazines keep the kanji they use to this list of 1850 kanji. In 1981 the list was expanded to 1945 and that's now called the "Jouyou Kanji" (kanji for everyday use). Everyone is suppose to know these kanji by the time they graduate from highschool.

During gradeschool (1-6 grade) Japanese children learn kyouiku (educational) kanji, which totals 1006 kanji (about 80-200 a year). During secondary school, students learn an additional 939 kanji. There are also jinmeiyo kanji that are not on the Jouyou list and are for use in names. The number of jinmeiyo kanji hovered around 300 for a while, but then jumped to more than 900 in the past couple years. Some of these kanji are not necessarily used in names but are just frequently used words.

Some students choose to learn kanji in the grade school order, which is fine but it should be noted the order that kanji is taught in japan is not necessarily based on frequency but on how easy they are. For example kyuu 弓 which means "archery bow" is taught in 2nd grade, but isn't on the Japanese Language Profitiency Test (a test ment to gauge the profitiency of a foreigner) until level 1 (the highest level). Still, if you go by the grade you can learn kanji in pretty small sets.

Like bakahito said, some kanji have more than one form, one being a classical form. And many words have kanji but aren't used. Verbs like suru (a common verb that generally means to do) and Iru (to exist) have kanji but you don't see them much. Also frequent expressions like "baka" (stupid) "arigatou" (thanks) and "kawaii" (cute) are usually written in hiragana. (even katakana for an added emphasis)
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:24 pm


Forgot to add this link to a list of jouyou and jinmeiyou kanji. It's kind of daunting to see them all together so don't click if you're easily discouraged.

Jouyou Kanji

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TurtleGirl137

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:25 am


[Chii-chan]
Japanese must learn ___ chinese characters (kanji) to be literate.

If someone could fill in the blank for me, that would be great! ^.^ I'm doing a scavender hunt and I found every single problem, but that one. ToT

Help please?!

Arigatou Gozaimasu. ^.^


5000

though to read a newspaper with some struggle is less then that.
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:03 pm


Freakezette
The true number of Kanji numbers in the many thousands (I think my electronic dictionary claims to have 12,000 or something excessive) but many of these are classical forms or more complicated forms of what's in use today. In 1946, in order simplify things and promote literacy, the government made a list of "Touyou Kanji" (Kanji for general use) and requested newspapers and magazines keep the kanji they use to this list of 1850 kanji. In 1981 the list was expanded to 1945 and that's now called the "Jouyou Kanji" (kanji for everyday use). Everyone is suppose to know these kanji by the time they graduate from highschool.

During gradeschool (1-6 grade) Japanese children learn kyouiku (educational) kanji, which totals 1006 kanji (about 80-200 a year). During secondary school, students learn an additional 939 kanji. There are also jinmeiyo kanji that are not on the Jouyou list and are for use in names. The number of jinmeiyo kanji hovered around 300 for a while, but then jumped to more than 900 in the past couple years. Some of these kanji are not necessarily used in names but are just frequently used words.

Some students choose to learn kanji in the grade school order, which is fine but it should be noted the order that kanji is taught in japan is not necessarily based on frequency but on how easy they are. For example kyuu 弓 which means "archery bow" is taught in 2nd grade, but isn't on the Japanese Language Profitiency Test (a test ment to gauge the profitiency of a foreigner) until level 1 (the highest level). Still, if you go by the grade you can learn kanji in pretty small sets.

Like bakahito said, some kanji have more than one form, one being a classical form. And many words have kanji but aren't used. Verbs like suru (a common verb that generally means to do) and Iru (to exist) have kanji but you don't see them much. Also frequent expressions like "baka" (stupid) "arigatou" (thanks) and "kawaii" (cute) are usually written in hiragana. (even katakana for an added emphasis)


Actually, despite what some may tell you, kana words appearing in,like arigatou (written 有難う), are not all that unusuall, especially on documents such as bills, orders, etc. So it really does pay to learn your characters, especially, as Freakezette mentioned, the jyoyo kanji. Knowing some basic characters always helps to make life in Japan a little easier.

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