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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:30 pm
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:33 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:41 am
I've never looked into my cultural background, mostly because I don't care. I seem to recall my parents telling me I have a small amount of Native American blood in me. Other than that, I have no idea. I assume I'm a hodgepodge of European bloodlines.
But it doesn't matter to me where I'm from. I don't take pride in the fact that I'm from this country or that country, because I don't identify myself that way. I'm from America, and that's what I tell people. I don't say "I'm American", like it's part of who I am. It's not that important to me.
You say America is a melting pot. That's the common belief. I once heard a better description, though: America is a salad. "Melting pot" implies that everything put into it becomes one uniform mass. But that's not really how America is today. We are indeed a mix of different cultures, but we aren't uniform. All the cultures are still largely separate from each other. We have communities of blacks, communities of whites, communities of latinos, etc. In that, America is like a salad: a mix of different items that are still identifiable as separate things.
With that in mind, it's easy to see why people don't call themselves American. They may be from America, but America itself has so many subcultures that "American" doesn't really identify people well. That's why they use terms like African-American and Asian-American; it's a more accurate description of them.
Perhaps people who call themselves French or German even when they fit your definition of American do so because it's the strongest part of their heritage that they follow. It may constitute only a small part of their bloodline, but they participate in all the usual customs, eat all the usual foods, speak in the usual manner, etc., of that country. It may not be where they're from, but it's who they are.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:27 pm
These little knights... I agree where you say 'America is a salad.' I think that is a more accurate representation of what America is. Truth be told, I only said melting pot because that's the only term I have heard/read used for America. But I agree and like your salad idea more. Cultures are mixed together, but not into one mass. There's still separation. Which is why I don't mind too much if someone says they're Asian-American.
Most people who call themselves African-American I have to call bullhockey on. I do not mean this in a racist way, but most Blacks I know are no where close to an African culture, but they demand to be called African-American. But that's another topic I don't want to turn my attention towards.
As an example as to why I disagree when people say they're French or German is because most of the time they're not. Take my buddy Kale for instance. One morning in my 2nd hour math class, Kale and I were sitting in our group while the group of kids next to us was talking rather loudly, to a point it was impossible not to eavesdrop. One of the girls there made a comment about the French, saying something like they're weak and stupid (not that I can argue, I personally don't care too much for them, but let's not get off track). Suddenly, Kale was upset and glared at the woman and barked, "Hey! I'm French!" Now, I've known Kale for a LONG time. His family practices no French customs or anything. All he has is French heritage from his great grandpa. It's people like him I do not understand and honestly despise. He does practice French culture, he doesn't speak French, he doesn't dress French. Nothing about him or his family is French. He just has an ancestor from France. That to me, does not make a person French. ...will rock your world
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:44 pm
I would agree with you there. It's silly when people who have no connection to a culture other than a distant relative suddenly become die-hard members of that culture when others insult it. Those people would bug me, too. It's like they're just looking for an excuse to be dramatic.
It sounds to me like you have issue not with people claiming a heritage, but claiming it when it's convenient for them and ignoring it otherwise. Is that right?
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:10 pm
These little knights... More or less, yes. It's one thing if you state your heritage, but it's another claiming it's what you are. A friend of mine is constantly saying he's Italian. He says the Italian people a bit more morbid and violent than most, and I think he's being stereotypical because of the whole Mafia image. And people start doing that, along with what Kale and many others have done, I start getting irritated. To me, it's as if people are just ashamed to admit they're of the American culture, therefor an American. I know America has it's problem but so do a lot of other countries. And we've had worse times before.
I remember trying to have this same conversation with a couple of my friends. One of them had argued she was one-quarter Native American. I had to call bullhockey there because I don't think she really lives the Native-American lifestyle. Her grandma may be full Native-American, and might live in that culture, but judging from what I heard of my friend's lifestyle, I don't think she has much right saying she's a Native-American.
At that point to me, you're no longer your heritage. It's one thing being born full or being born with parents who are fully but once it gets into grandparents, I don't believe in claiming you are something unless you truly live in that culture in the fullest manner possible. ...will rock your world
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:22 am
I don't say I'm American because....erm....I'm not American?
I'm second generation English. All of my grandparents and some of my uncles were born in Ireland, and about 80% of my family still live over there.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:57 am
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:08 am
Let's see.....I'm American, I know that for a fact. I was born in Chula Vista, CA. Anyway, my birth parents are Swedish, so I have Swedish blood in me. But my adoptive parents are both Italian, so unless I have some of their blood put into me, I'm Swedish-American
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:48 pm
You're making a common mistake that a lot of people make.
Allow me to clarify; you are confusing nationality with ethnicity & race.
A nationality is defined where someone is born. American, British,
An ethnicity is a minor group of people that share a common racial background. Latin, Asian
A race is a specific line of blood focused on a certain group of people in an ethnicity. Laotian, French
Someone can be Vietnamese and Lao but if they where born in America they retain American nationality. There is technically no such thing as an Ethnic background called American. There are the Natives but that's not what you where referring.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:03 pm
I'm proud that my ancestors descend from France. And yes, my grandparents lived there. And yes, my mom moved back for a while. I wasn't born in France, but my background is French. If people are discussing the country they were born in, I say I'm American. If people are asking where I am descended from, I say France. Honestly, I don't feel that proud of being American. But that's another debate...
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:30 pm
J.T3 You're making a common mistake that a lot of people make.
Allow me to clarify; you are confusing nationality with ethnicity & race.
A nationality is defined where someone is born. American, British,
An ethnicity is a minor group of people that share a common racial background. Latin, Asian
A race is a specific line of blood focused on a certain group of people in an ethnicity. Laotian, French
Someone can be Vietnamese and Lao but if they where born in America they retain American nationality. There is technically no such thing as an Ethnic background called American. There are the Natives but that's not what you where referring.
When I made this debate, I was fed up with a fellow student of mine who has the BIGGEST southern accent I have ever heard, and is the biggest "America: love or leave it" kind of guy in the world, yet if someone starts saying something about the country of France, he must announce, "I'M FRENCH!!"I asked him once who was French in his family. His response: His great grandfather. He's never been to France, and I personally know him, he does not practice ANYTHING of the French culture. Only frigging connection he's got is his parents are able to cough almost four grand for him to go on a school trip to France and Spain for a week or two. So, when I was fed, I asked the question. He's an all American boy, and his French blood has long died out, yet he calls himself French. I'm asking why, and what's the point. @Life: No one seems to be proud anymore. It's depressing really. While we're not the greatest country in the world, I wouldn't prefer to be anywhere else. Everyone's got a problem, it's inevitable. America's taking it hard because we have a HUGE debt that Government (which is ran by money grubbers now) can't fix, unemployment is as bad as the oil spill, and everyone generally ******** hates us for one reason or another and they can't just get past it, or simply ignore us. Now, I don't mean to sound like my friend Kale here, "America: Love or Leave it", but it depresses me to hear everyone being so ashamed and constantly bashing on America. I know it's not great, but it's better than a lot of other countries. : s
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:24 pm
i'm guessing i'm not what you had in mind when you wrote this topic... i don't consider myself american because i was born and raised (and still live) in the netherlands to parents that are both dutch citizens, i have a dutch passport (thus am a dutch citizen myself), and have never even been outside of europe.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:51 pm
I think its a melting pot where we blend together while remaining to strive to stand out in someway or another by distigushing ourselve fomr the pot itself no one starts amearican we just grow with a simmila ideal of freedom that makes us so
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:54 pm
I was born in America so I could be considered an American, but I'm half Russian and a lot of other ethnicities. Truthfully I don't WANT to be considered an American. Most other countries see Americans as fat hotdog and hamburger lovers who don't excercise. I'm not part of that group at all.
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