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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:23 am
Been on both sides of this one. There was a period of time when I was a veggie, citing all the above reasons and more for why I was essentially a rabbit. That was then, now I eat meat as well. And while it's true I've been thinking of going veggie again, my biggest issue is people, usually folks who know better, who think "going green" or being eco-friendly equates with vegetarian. Bullbleep. I fail to see what you eat has anything to do the green living, environmental awareness or self-sufficiency. If I eat a hamburger or steak does this mean I hate the environment? Perish forbid! And please, if you are going to make statements that have a "sciencey" ring to them, by all means back them up.
Sorry if I have offended anyone, I just dislike folks trying to give the impression that to live and believe as I do, I must eat/dress/act a certain way. Peace out and take care.
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:09 am
Crazy Cat Reincarnated I would think, since our digestive tract is not as short or acidic as a dog, that we would require even less meat than that. Considering we have to cook our meat to be able to consume it without getting disease, it seems hard to believe that our ancestors would have eaten much meat. It isn't that we have to cook meat. A lot of people eat raw meat pretty frequently, actually. Carpaccio, tartare, sashimi, etc. However, our hunter and gatherer ancestors didn't have refrigeration or sanitation to help prevent spoilage. Cooking meat was less about disease and more about storage. Cooking most likely progressed from drying meat on posts around the fire to roasting it over the fire. Also, meat was a staple in the hunter/gatherers' diet. It wasn't until they learned to raise crops themselves that plant foods became more important than meat. To the hunter/gatherer, plant foods were small wild edibles that they would collect as they traveled or hunted. Meat was the focus, not having meat meant not having stores of fat to protect them in winter nor protein in the months they needed it most.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:14 pm
Zurine I would like to see the source for your information. It sounds like a load of vegetarian hype. Show me the peer reviewed scientific journal that states that. Please. I do eat meat, this whole vegetarian godliness you're all promoting is childish and the context which you hold omnivores is blatantly rude. Just because you're 'eco-friendly' by being a vegetarian does not mean you're better to the planet. To be frank I do not believe that you ARE more eco-friendly. I am well aware that the corporate meat industries have HUGE carbon offsets in raising, caring, processing, and transporting their products. So does the planting, harvesting, pesticide use, and transporting of those 'oh holy vegetables'. With giants like Monsanto, which tells the farmers to destroy mountains of corn because they don't want the food economy to be ******** with. They are manically happy creating their product and controlling our economy through it. No, you are not more eco-friendly. If you want to sit on a high horse and spout out farce, at least have the gonads to buy locally. I don't care that the fruits and vegetables are out of season, vegetarianism was your decision. So eat roots, salted vegetables, pickled vegetables, and preserved fruits. Winters I eat more grains, meats, and roots, because that's what the co-op has for local food. Being a vegetarian does not make you a eco-friendly person. Supporting local agriculture and buying consciously among other things makes you a 'eco-friendly' person. i know this is months old, but WOW! way too much hostility! she wasn't implying that at all, she was sharing an article which she found! and what makes you think that veg*ns' "oh holy vegetables" DON'T come from eco-friendly sources? quite frankly, i find your post very offensive & presumptuous.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:28 pm
Personally I get very anemic if I don't eat meat at least every few days. Animal fat does wonders for my hair and skin, too. I've been eating less meat now that I've stopped eating meat that isn't organic, or at least verified as being for a reputable animal-friendly source (since it costs more lol; ) D:
I maintain that one benefits from having a small percentage of the diet being animal products, but eh D:
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:55 am
I would like to point out Gorillas are not primarily on a veggie diet, like MANY primates, they will eat meat if its available. Like Pandas, you would never think a panda would enjoy eating birds, and eggs, but they do, they're just so slow to actually catch them but if they do find one they're eating it. And many primates EAT INSECTS AND BIRD EGGS. Insects is high protein just like meat too.
Humans and many primates are "Opportunistic Carnivores" meaning if presented the opportunity to eat meat, they will eat it.
Many primates are described as being "herbivores" but they have been observed eating meat, they do not often eat meat because the flora around them is much more abundant and much easier to obtain than say chase after a bird. Certain male primates have been observed also to chase down small animals or enemy juveniles and eat them, or even more present them to their favored female, which meat can be a very good ticket to sex.
And you've also left out the point that evolutionary history has shown that if there is more meat available, it factors in nutrients that allow the brain to grow. That is the reason why human brains are 'large' in the aspect of other primates.
For a brain to be larger other factors of our body must be compensated because the brain requires high amounts of energy like our digestive tract. For those with smaller brains there is a trend that their digestive tracts are longer and much energy is placed for digestion. For larger brains there is a trend that digestive tracts will be shorter. Our digestive tracks are 'shorter' in the sense of a herbivore, but not as short as a true carnivore.
Tools are a substitution for carnivore teeth.
And your focus is too hard on teeth, I counter that with the study of our jaw bones. Our primate relatives have rather strong jaws because they spend much of their time chewing fibrous items, like fruit, leaves, other plant material, their jaws are large, and their jaw muscles are very large and strong that's why you never sick your hand to a chimp, they will rip your fingers off. Further more our jaws are rather weak compared to them and smaller. AKA our wisdom teeth can not fit in many people's mouths. We have a smaller jaw. Our smaller jaw is a result of our tendency of cooking and softening many of our foods. Cooking meet softens it and will make it easier to eat and is much more savory, Cooking veggies you can but sometimes are still preferred to eaten raw.
And I also frown on the "You will be sicker if you eat too much meat" pitch.
I do believe many vegetarians recoil at me when I tell them "I can't eat your food I will literally SUFFOCATE AND DIE" because then they will tell me the benefits of all their foods, granted I love my leaves, but when much of the food is based on nuts, and soy, I CAN NOT EAT THAT. They have forgotten that many people have food allergies that are linked to plants. What I eat, I supplement my diet with meat, just like our ancestors did, meat is fast, meat is tricky, but we desire it, because of the satisfaction we get from it.
And if you look at the extremes of both diets in humans, heavy meat eaters will have many health problems, heavy veggie eaters will also have health problems. On both end of the spectrum both can be considered malnourished. Though many times heavy meat eaters will have an abundant of other issues so they need to take on medications to regulate blood and other factors, heavy veggie eaters often times take bottled pill supplements so they don't end up crashing as well. Other times some heavy veggie eaters will develop intestinal problems because of the stress extremely high fiber diets cause. You may have a very clean colon but your digestive track may be getting abused.
Now when you go back to the "you will be sicker", remember many people these days eat things in excess. Red meat vs White meat, meat is still meat, depends where you get it. AND we don't have to chase it down anymore so that's less energy, and so humans have become lazy and fat, or so to say.
Meat in general contains nutrients that the human body simply can not produce effectively. Like Doriinkingu, I too will be anemic if I don't have meat.
Menstruation is hard for many women they crave lots of food one of them being high protein and sugary things, and many are satisfied with a nice juicy steak or chicken.
------------------------------------------------------ If you want to read more about our teeth, brain and gut relation ship look up:
"FOOD FOR THOUGHT" from science mag. volume 316 June 15 2007 Ann Gibbons Evolution: Solving the Brain's Energy Crisis, Science Mag, may 1998. vol. 280
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:34 am
I really enjoy eating meat and I think it is an important part of my diet. It provides me with a good source of engery when I go out and do field work for hours and burn and s**t ton of calories. Yes, I do realize that there are other sources of food that can provide me with a good source of engery (like PB or beans), but I prefer eating meat to get that energy.
I feel like I would have to eat non-stop if I ate nothing but fruits and veggies. xp
I do really enjoy fruits and veggies though! I usually have them for breakfast and snacks.
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