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 Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:49 am
i think at one point, i tried to say that medication was drugs and that was why i wouldn't take it. i got some talk about how medication was different than drugs. i was mostly doing this so that i wouldn't have to take any medication that i needed, because i didn't want to.
some of the stuff you guys said is really warped. i believe it, but it's still warped. my cousin said at one point the only reason Selena, a tejano singer if you didn't know or watched the movie with jennifer lopez, died is because her family were jehovah witnesses, and refused to let the doctors give her a blood transfusion that could of saved her. oh well i guess. it's sad, but what can you do about it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:58 pm
I think it is very sad when I see a parent hurting their children just because of something religious they believe in.
You have a point about the whole "God's will" thing. Why don't christians not take any medicine at all. I mean it is gods will is it not? Why 'not' take it when you get a life threatening disease and not a common cold.
If we didn't have medicine a lot of people would be dead by now. Are we not changing life expectancies? God let us create medicine so that was his will. If so do we not have free will, did we not "freely" create it ourselves.
The whole thing is a bunch of mess and not worth thinking threw from an athiests point of view.
Hope she gets better. Medicine would help her..
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:23 am
Shiori Miko My mother used to have a very strict Christian doctor. When she talked of her pain(she messed up her spine big time), he prescribed Bible verses. And whenever one of his patients became pregnant he forced them to watch a video of an abortion, even if the pregnant woman isn't considering abortion!
WOW. Talk about extreme. Goodness.
OP: I think that what your aunt is doing is similar to a man in extreme debt saying "It's okay, God will fix it!", and then going and praying about it, doing nothing otherwise to help get rid of his debt, while the debt continues to pile up. Perhaps maybe she's afraid of really facing her disease and dealing with it emotionally? I believe that prayer is necessary and very helpful (whether you're sick or not), but it should NEVER be a complete replacement for professional, medical help unless you have a cold or something.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:00 pm
brainnsoup My aunt, who is a very strict Christian, recently found out that she had Parkinson's Disease. It hasn't progressed very far, but she refuses to take medication. Instead, she started looking up little home remedies, started praying about it, stuff like that. And it's tough because I don't see that helping and though she can't cure it, Parkinson's is manageable with medication and medication would, as I understand it, severely slow its progress. I know that it has something to do with her faith. But I don't know exactly why she won't get treatment. My dad explained it to me as something along the lines of she believes that everything that happens is God's will, and if it is His will, she will get better. But this is obviously frustrating for me as an atheist. On that same note, everybody's heard horror stories of sick children dying because their parent's refuse medical treatment and pray instead. -What exactly are religious reasons behind refusing medical treatment? -Is it okay to refuse medical treatment for yourself? If you knew somebody who was, would you try to change their minds even if they were doing it because of their religion? -Is it alright for a parent to deny their child medication/treatment? Even for religious reasons? Should parents who do be punished?
You CAN use the rock climbing to get out of this canvas in the mountains, but instead you constantly try to ask to get out.
It's sad because your aunt really is hurting herself. However, I never realized why religious folk can't just use medication. It exists, so why not?
Some things made less sense than faith healing, or the belief that payer works better than medication.
I think the best case is where this little boy had the flu and medication could have cured him. However, his family thought it would be better to pray for him.
Because he wasn't getting much treatment, it turned into pneumonia and he eventually died.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:17 pm
I take medication every morning.
I firmly believe that medication is not against Hashem, but is in fact the will of Hashem.
I believe that Hashem doesn't want me to suffer without my medication when I could just take it. G-d did create medicine, after all.
I am reminded of a joke:
A man is drowning in a big lake. Suddenly a boat sails up, and a worker on the boat offers the man a life raft. The man says, "No thanks, G-d will save me." The boat leaves and the man sinks deeper into the water. An even bigger boat drives up, and the captain offers to throw the man a life preserver on a rope. The man says, "No thanks, G-d will save me." The boat drives away. The man drowns and goes to Heaven. He sees G-d and asks, "Why didn't you save me?" G-d replies, "What do you mean? I sent you two big boats!"
The scenario in the joke I just butchered is comprable to when someone ill refuses medication. They say "No thanks, G-d will save me," but they ignore the medications and remedies that G-d has provided here on Earth for them.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:02 pm
I'm Agnostic...so i rely on local remedies and natural things for health..as i have heart disease...as far as any sort of religeon...well...i cant rely on any but my own...and this is what i say about "christianity"___ 
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:32 am
Lumanny the Space Jew I take medication every morning.
I firmly believe that medication is not against Hashem, but is in fact the will of Hashem.
I believe that Hashem doesn't want me to suffer without my medication when I could just take it. G-d did create medicine, after all.
I am reminded of a joke:
A man is drowning in a big lake. Suddenly a boat sails up, and a worker on the boat offers the man a life raft. The man says, "No thanks, G-d will save me." The boat leaves and the man sinks deeper into the water. An even bigger boat drives up, and the captain offers to throw the man a life preserver on a rope. The man says, "No thanks, G-d will save me." The boat drives away. The man drowns and goes to Heaven. He sees G-d and asks, "Why didn't you save me?" G-d replies, "What do you mean? I sent you two big boats!"
The scenario in the joke I just butchered is comprable to when someone ill refuses medication. They say "No thanks, G-d will save me," but they ignore the medications and remedies that G-d has provided here on Earth for them. So what you're saying is that it's practically a slap in the face to God if you reject medication? I agree with that, I mean REALLY, He created all of these medications so why DON'T we take them? (Also, on the parent-punishment thing, I think that the parents should be punished. Not by taking their kid away or anything, but maybe they should have to take a class on conventional parenting? These parents KNOW that they are refusing life-saving medications for their kids. They have ALL the control, and they CHOOSE to let their child die in some cases. They pray and hope and hold sermons and such, but they all KNOW what they are doing. They try to convince themselves that their child will be okay, but they KNOW that the child won't be in the end. It's parental intuition, and if they genuinely thought that their child would be saved by God by a miracle, then they are seriously messed up and should not have had kids.) (By the way, I take medication for certain things, like in the case of a simple cold, I don't, because I think it's a waste of resources. But like right now, I have Walking Pneumonia, and though it's vile medication, I'm taking it so I don't die.)
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:49 pm
vegan_was_here Lumanny the Space Jew I take medication every morning.
I firmly believe that medication is not against Hashem, but is in fact the will of Hashem.
I believe that Hashem doesn't want me to suffer without my medication when I could just take it. G-d did create medicine, after all.
I am reminded of a joke:
A man is drowning in a big lake. Suddenly a boat sails up, and a worker on the boat offers the man a life raft. The man says, "No thanks, G-d will save me." The boat leaves and the man sinks deeper into the water. An even bigger boat drives up, and the captain offers to throw the man a life preserver on a rope. The man says, "No thanks, G-d will save me." The boat drives away. The man drowns and goes to Heaven. He sees G-d and asks, "Why didn't you save me?" G-d replies, "What do you mean? I sent you two big boats!"
The scenario in the joke I just butchered is comprable to when someone ill refuses medication. They say "No thanks, G-d will save me," but they ignore the medications and remedies that G-d has provided here on Earth for them. So what you're saying is that it's practically a slap in the face to God if you reject medication? I agree with that, I mean REALLY, He created all of these medications so why DON'T we take them? (Also, on the parent-punishment thing, I think that the parents should be punished. Not by taking their kid away or anything, but maybe they should have to take a class on conventional parenting? These parents KNOW that they are refusing life-saving medications for their kids. They have ALL the control, and they CHOOSE to let their child die in some cases. They pray and hope and hold sermons and such, but they all KNOW what they are doing. They try to convince themselves that their child will be okay, but they KNOW that the child won't be in the end. It's parental intuition, and if they genuinely thought that their child would be saved by God by a miracle, then they are seriously messed up and should not have had kids.) (By the way, I take medication for certain things, like in the case of a simple cold, I don't, because I think it's a waste of resources. But like right now, I have Walking Pneumonia, and though it's vile medication, I'm taking it so I don't die.)
Slap in the face? Well, that's not exactly what I meant...
But Hell Yeah.
And by the way, I do believe that the parents should have the poor kid taken away. Child services and whatnot. Separating parents and children is awful, but better that thabn the kid dying for a silly reason like that.
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