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 Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:07 pm
I got suckered once into summoning a being out of the necronomicon.
The candle I was using to channel the spirit through developed a weird aura people that were around commented on the spirit and talked to it.
I released the spirit when I was done. That was that. It didn't seem like a big deal. The necronomicon is primarily fiction anyways... how the heck I actually summoned a spirit using that caltrop I do not know.
It doesn't really seem all that evil... or all that strange to me. I can't talk to spirits but I can sense them and get some information (some is the key word) I know they are there.
I had a conversation recently where someone introduced the concept to me that this was dark magic and was a bad thing. I don't really have an opinion... I think its more what/how you do something then the act that matters.
What do you think? Is it evil/bad?
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:23 pm
The only way someone may see a summoning as "evil" is in the notion that you are bringing it to you against its will. Taking another's Will is considered a magical no-no (despite many teens' attempts during their doomed love spells).
However, some see summoning as more of a "calling", where you kind of dial up the spirit/entity, and it comes if it wants to. Nothing wrong with that, we do it all the time when we ask the elements or the gods to be present at a ritual. From there, it's usually known as "invocation", and the "release" is merely a dismissal.
It really depends on what you were trying to do. A lot of people associate summoning with forcibly bringing an entity to your circle, trapping it in an object or field, and commanding it before "release". That's the media interpretation for you.
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:31 pm
May I ask which spirit you were tricked into summoning, and which Necronomicon you used?
Although I have never attempted summoning, I feel strange around the Goetia as it involves making potential deals with demons, a concept that I've had too much conditioning to like, apparently.
Such notions aside, if I was some grand astral entity, I would expect something for my trouble if I was somehow torn from my own dimension and temporarily bound to the will of someone earthly. But that deals with the more oppressive summoning methods of the Goetia specifically, as far as I understand it.
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:59 pm
Intent puts the moral spin on things.
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:36 am
Azana Brown The only way someone may see a summoning as "evil" is in the notion that you are bringing it to you against its will. Taking another's Will is considered a magical no-no (despite many teens' attempts during their doomed love spells). However, some see summoning as more of a "calling", where you kind of dial up the spirit/entity, and it comes if it wants to. Nothing wrong with that, we do it all the time when we ask the elements or the gods to be present at a ritual. From there, it's usually known as "invocation", and the "release" is merely a dismissal. It really depends on what you were trying to do. A lot of people associate summoning with forcibly bringing an entity to your circle, trapping it in an object or field, and commanding it before "release". That's the media interpretation for you. I was going to use the word dismissal but then I thought that it sounded pretentious. I do view it as calling a spirit. The barrier I use is to protect me and my identity more then it is to trap the spirit.
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:58 am
Subrosian May I ask which spirit you were tricked into summoning, and which Necronomicon you used?
Although I have never attempted summoning, I feel strange around the Goetia as it involves making potential deals with demons, a concept that I've had too much conditioning to like, apparently.
Such notions aside, if I was some grand astral entity, I would expect something for my trouble if I was somehow torn from my own dimension and temporarily bound to the will of someone earthly. But that deals with the more oppressive summoning methods of the Goetia specifically, as far as I understand it. I don't know which. I was suckered not duped. Pretty much my friend asked me to and I consented though I didn't really believe in the necronomicon as anything special. They were convinced it was I think maybe 31 and 41? I have no clue I had looked up the necronomicon on the web and tried to pick a picture that I remembered. http://www.scribd.com/doc/17409546/The-Necronomicon-Spell-Book I just remember I had to use a sigil and I adapted the summoning practice to one that I normally use accept I used a candle in this case. Pretty much symbol invocation of a name call the spirit into the candle etc.
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:49 am
the Simonomicon = basically Babylonian myth, not necessarily evil so much as historical, I would say. If it worked for you, so much the better, but I've read other magickal books that have given me a much more intense impression of "evil", darkness, or that inhuman primordial state the creatures seem to be associated with.
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:31 am
It depends on the intent behind the summoning. If all you intended to do was speak with it, then no. If you intended to use it to help you or others manifest any malicious intent, then probably. But then again, evil is a relative term, defined based on the *current* morals of the one choosing to use said word.
It's like somebody mentioned about using a love spell. Nowadays somebody might not like the idea, but in the early ages, when magick was well spread, and people across the world used it, love spells were seen as a god/dess send. Which I'm sorry to say, but in my mind, taking something from the old ages and calling it "evil" or wrong, just because somebody thinks different, to me isn't any better than say, a whole religious institution crushing and dwindling down the numbers of what was once the most prosperous religion. You'll have to forgive me if any of you take offense to that, but I call things how I see them.
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:40 am
Delequen It depends on the intent behind the summoning. If all you intended to do was speak with it, then no. If you intended to use it to help you or others manifest any malicious intent, then probably. But then again, evil is a relative term, defined based on the *current* morals of the one choosing to use said word. It's like somebody mentioned about using a love spell. Nowadays somebody might not like the idea, but in the early ages, when magick was well spread, and people across the world used it, love spells were seen as a god/dess send. Which I'm sorry to say, but in my mind, taking something from the old ages and calling it "evil" or wrong, just because somebody thinks different, to me isn't any better than say, a whole religious institution crushing and dwindling down the numbers of what was once the most prosperous religion. You'll have to forgive me if any of you take offense to that, but I call things how I see them. And I call what you did to that poor squirrel evil razz lol I was just using it to try to gain knowledge. I didn't really learn anything though. @ Ritter: what magical books would these be? Also were these same beings shown in a different context in that book or are you talking about different beings?
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:00 pm
And that's perfectly ok. I've not come across one entity who wasn't more than willing to share when a practitioner called them to gain knowledge. And I didn't do it to that squirrel, just found the pic smile
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