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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:38 pm
All right, so I'm in jazz band, freshman year. (It's almost unheard of in my school, but I'm an amazing trombone player. Like, really, really good. [I'm also a trumpet player, that's where the conceit comes from.]) Anyway. I've only done marching band and middle school concert band, and so, I have had no training in jazz. And here it is; the point: What should I work on in between now and November? Improvisation? Scales? Responses are appreciated.
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:27 pm
Marching Band no Jutsu All right, so I'm in jazz band, freshman year. (It's almost unheard of in my school, but I'm an amazing trombone player. Like, really, really good. [I'm also a trumpet player, that's where the conceit comes from.]) Anyway. I've only done marching band and middle school concert band, and so, I have had no training in jazz. And here it is; the point: What should I work on in between now and November? Improvisation? Scales? Responses are appreciated. well, if your jazz band is actually going to be playing jazz, and not rock type stuff...work on SWINGif you're going to be doing rock(and stuff like that), you should be working on what you normally should be working on(do this for jazz also)...scales, arpeggios, long tones...you know, all that good stuff.
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:57 pm
You don't really need to work on your scales, assuming you can play the music. What I would work on definitely is improvisation in certain keys maybe.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:34 am
I would say work on your scales and arpeggios, however do them in different styles, swing the notes one time then forte and bring them down to a soften the next. If you notice in jazz, most of the time, when you play a piece, it usually has some type of scale in the piece. Brass I'm not too sure of, since for jazz I play mostly play Alto. However, I would work on style using scales. That usually helps when it's time to pick up the beat of a certain piece. And it helps in the long run with rhythm and counting beats.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:04 pm
Scales will actually be your best friend when it comes to improv. Study the blues scale in different keys. 1, flat 3, 4, flat 5, 5, flat 7, 8
You'll get into the swing of things (lol pun) soon enough. It's a lot of fun you might find wink
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:05 pm
I agree that your best bet would be learning scales, and from that it is dramatically easier to learn how to improvise
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:43 am
I play the saxophone so im not sure what type of scales for you to do, but learning the jazz scale by heart is probably the best thing to do. Dynamic's are also a big part of being a jazz player
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:26 pm
elemental_imp I play the saxophone so im not sure what type of scales for you to do, but learning the jazz scale by heart is probably the best thing to do. Dynamic's are also a big part of being a jazz player there is no such thing as "the jazz scale"....e.o
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:37 pm
toco clarinet elemental_imp I play the saxophone so im not sure what type of scales for you to do, but learning the jazz scale by heart is probably the best thing to do. Dynamic's are also a big part of being a jazz player there is no such thing as "the jazz scale"....e.o aren't they called 'blues scales?' because i have a chart of those.
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:21 pm
Marching Band no Jutsu there is no such thing as "the jazz scale"....e.o aren't they called 'blues scales?' because i have a chart of those. yes, there are BLUES scales (notice "scales" in which the "s" denotes that there are multiple objects, in this case "scales") but not a JAZZ scale(notice "scale" the absence of "s" denotes singularity, meaning that there is only ONE object..in this case "scale")
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:37 pm
First thing is learn how to swing your notes, as mentioned by another post. I could get into all sorts of things when it comes to scales... but learn to crawl before you walk. If you dont know your majors and minors then it'll be hard to know your blues scales.
Accents are also very important and how you play them (like ghosting notes).
I'd say listen to some jazzbands and pay attention to whatever part your playing.
If your a lead trombone player there's a number of things you can work on.
Listening and understanding is a very important part of jazz since it's not exactly a real textbook way of playing it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:11 pm
I was in Jazz my soph, junior, and senior year.
I moved all the way from 5th alternate trumpet to first lead trumpet my senior year. Didn't happen over night obviously lol
Main thing for me: I couldn't always practice everyday and when I did it wasn't even for a full hour sometimes (had a job/senior project/crazy bus schedule/clubs)
When I did get the opportunity, I always made sure to do two things. First, I'd practice whatever songs we were playing in the ensemble (always come prepared, group rehearsal time should never be wasted because you don't know your notes yet) just enough to get through it without wrong notes, the dynamics/accents/etc were always added while playing with the group. Don't bother worrying about whats written because your director will almost always change it or add his own touches.
Second, I would practice improvising during the solo sections of the songs or just improvising whatever I felt like. Make sure to try different styles (swing, blues, latin/salsa, funk, ragtime, cool jazz, anything else you can think of) You never know when your director is going to want to try out a new song, their decision on whether to keep it or not usually depends on the groups ability to adapt. I don't know how your director is but mine didn't like to invest time in something if there wasn't an immediate understanding of the sound he was going for. Plus, you play trombone and judges love a good, confident, trombone player. They're hard to find and the more you improv, the more you enjoy it and improve. If you get the judges tapes back, I guarantee they'll comment on you if you're not nervous looking and you appear to be having fun. That's what its all about anyway. Anyone who doesn't like being in jazz/improvising just lacks confidence.
If you can get this down as a freshman, you'll be a monster by your senior year! biggrin
Good luck with everything!!
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