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The Quail

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:10 pm


I've been discarding loads of conlangs (well, most never even got past the phonology, so they're not even conlangs) lately, and this is my attempt at making a decent one that I'll want to keep. It's a monosyllabic isolating language with SOV or SVO word order...

I'mve fillinged out a Swadesh list, so there should be plenty of basic vocabulary soon. I'm trying to get down all the basic grammar. I also want to add examples.

(Fixed poll question to comply with new grammar, twice.)
New poll is:
2P.informal-subject a.few metal yellow want yes?
Yes
Eh... 1P.informal understand not...

Note about examples from other languages: I'm assuming that readers, as Gaians in a conlang forum, probably know some basic stuff about Japanese, and as English speakers who are likely to live in the US, probably know something about Spanish and may have taken it as a foreign language once upon a time...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:18 pm


Phonology

Inventory

Plosives:
/p t c k ʔ/


/b d ɟ g/

Nasals:
/m n ɲ/

Fricatives:
/f s ɕ h/

Affricates:
/ts dz tɕ dʑ/

Laterals:
/l ʎ/

(other) Approximants:
/w r j/

Vowels:


Diphthongs: [aɪ] [aʊ] [iu] [ui] [eɪ] [eʊ] [oɪ] [oʊ], spelled as one would expect

*Yes, I marked palatal consonants inconsistently. I would use <ľ> for /ʎ/, <ť> for /c/ etc. but I feel the diacritic is too hard to see. I might change my mind later, more likely to replace all carons with Xj
**because I'm tired of copying and pasting everything, X-SAMPA follows.

Phonotactics

(C)(approximant)V(C) syllable structure
* unvoiced stops (except glottal stop) and unvoiced affricates, /h/, /w/, and /j/ cannot appear in coda, and only stops (plosives, nasals) and affricates can form initial clusters with approximants

Lexical words almost always have both an onset and coda. (Because of this rule, /?/ codas are common.) Exceptions all have diphthongs, or I screwed up.

Allophony

Of Consonants:
/h/ and /?/ are not pronounced at the beginning of an utterance
/h/ is pronounced [C] before /i/
/L/ velarizes before /k/ and /g/ (sandhi)
Unvoiced plosives aspirate at the beginning of words
Fricatives in syllable codas are voiced except before fricative initials (sandhi)
/r/ realized as [4] in coda

Of Vowels:
With /?/ as initial, nucleus vowel is lower in pitch (and farther back if it is /a/)

Reduction: occurs in unstressed syllables.
/i/ =
/u/ =
/e/ = [E]
/o/ = [O]
/a/ = [6] or [@] (free variation)

Alphabet/Easy Pronunciation Guide

*I'm lazy, so the alphabet is ordered based on types of phonemes... not very natural, but I have no con-culture. Also, note on pronunciations: these are just approximations of the IPA values given above. I speak, I think, a standard TV American dialect, and my Spanish pronunciation is mostly north Mexican and somewhat gringa from lack of practice. Where no explanation is given, I didn't think it was necessary.

A - as Spanish "a"; somewhere between English cat and cot
E - as Spanish "e" but a bit closer to "i"
I - Spanish "i"; English "ee"
O - as in Spanish "o" but closer to "u"
U - as in Spanish "u"
P - ...
T - ...
Tj - unvoiced plosive like pronounced about where the consonant "y" is in English
K - ...
' - Glottal stop. Like a pause... or sometimes final "t" in English, when not pronounced
B - ...
D - ...
Dj - as , but voiced
G - ...
M - ...
N - ...
Ň - like Spanish "ñ" or English onion
F - ... As in English, not Japanese (or Spanish?); labiodental
S - ...
Š - like "sh" in Japanese and Mandarin (simultaneously pronounce a "sh" sound and the palatal "h" in hue)
H - like English "h"
Ts - like "ts" in Japanese or "z" in German
Dz - above but voiced; "dz"
Tš - like "ch" in Japanese; see Š
Dž - above but voiced
L - ...
Lj - like "ll" in Castilian Spanish (?), or like "l" pronounced where "y" would be. Or like a cluster
W - like English "w"
R - trilled r
Y - like English "y", but strictly palatal, not velar or close


The Quail


The Quail

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:35 pm


Alphabetized vocabulary lists
Ňeu 'ar - English: mediafire link
English - Ňeu 'ar (less complete): mediafire link
Tiny PDF files. I hope the links don't break...

Swadesh vocabulary list

I borrowed a lot of words from other languages... Guess which ones! (Are they too obvious?)
I should probably also note that in many cases the spaces between "words" are just orthographic, and some of the entries here are really compound words. The spacing completely eliminates ambiguity with codas/onsets, and I guess I'm just used to it...

I: dje (informal), goň dai (formal), lau (grammatical), other lexical forms possible
you.sg: gu (informal), pweg (fformal), te (grammatical), ""
he: 'i (animate), dža (inanimate)
we: dje lje (informal), goň dai lje
you.pl: gu lje (informal), pweg lje (formal)
they: 'i lje (animate), dža lje (inanimate)
this: ša
that: ňo (medial) , ki (distal)
here: ša yeb
there: ňo yeb, ki yeb
who: 'a dai'?
what: 'a?
where: 'a yeb?
when: 'a tswa'?
how: 'a tsin?
not: en (negation particle in general, as well as the interjection "no")
all: tei
many: šaud fad
some: bou
few: šaud tsig
other: rei
one: ňi
two: fai
three: tše
four: bou'
five: dzrum
big: fad
long: bol
wide: has
thick: grud
heavy: beš
small: tsig
short: kour
narrow: džil
thin: džil
woman: nyur
man (male): nad
man (general?): dai' (person)
child: hidz
wife: bas nyur; nyur
husband: bas nad; nad
mother: ma' (more formal is "kir ma'"; "mother parent")
father: da' (more formal is "kir da'")
animal: leuň
fish: pes
bird: hai'
dog: koi'
louse: pig tsig
snake: toudj
worm: gwam
tree: mus
forest: kyoš
stick: pal
fruit: gwodž
seed: seilj
leaf: ha'
root: pad mus
bark: tjel mus
flower: myar
grass: tsai'
rope: dzen mag
skin: tjel
meat: šou'
blood: ran
bone: hois
fat (noun): plud
egg: djam
horn: yes teif
tail: fwos
feather: pidz hai'
hair: pidz
head: tom
ear: mar
eye: tšin
nose: yes
mouth: mob
tooth: teif
tongue: min
fingernail: hois ňoi'
foot: džuň
leg: pad
knee: lui'
hand: ňoi'
wing: ňoi' hai'
belly: bwos
guts: dzen
neck: bal
back: tje'
breast: šaidj
heart: tyin
liver: dzen kan
drink: hom (verb)
eat: tsa' (verb)
bite: tjib (verb)
suck: pwar (verb)
spit: pya' (verb)
vomit: hiuf (verb)
blow: fom (verb)
breathe: hef (verb)
laugh: tšya' (verb)
see: mil (verb)
hear: 'adj (verb)
know: sir (verb)
think: tai (verb)
smell: rol
fear: pa'
sleep: ňer
live: džui
die: mod
kill: neg
fight: ljeb
hunt: kyas
hit: ba'
cut: kid
split: haň
stab: prag
scratch: 'os
dig: pal tu'
swim: kei bai'
fly: tob (verb)
walk: nam
come: lar
lie: bwer (as in "to lie down)
sit: sou'
stand: tadz
turn: dzwan
fall: kau
give: deu
hold: wil
squeeze: klje'
rub: dum
wash: kan
wipe: dum
pull: tir
push: sos
throw: tyar
tie: draf
sew: klos
count: yuiš
say: wan
sing: tau'
play: hag
float: kei bwer
flow: nag
freeze: ko'
swell: pwe fad
sun: tai'
moon: ljun
star: redz
water: kei
rain: yi'
river: myer
lake: byag
sea: šain
salt: 'alj
stone: miš
sand: nar
dust: foib
earth: tu'
cloud: 'un
fog: tši' kei
sky: kor
wind: fes
snow: sug
ice: tiudj
smoke: tši' pu
fire: kwoň
ashes: foib mu'
burn: houd
road: daum
mountain: tran
red: džan
green: wer
yellow: yin
white: fai
black: pu
night: ňedž
day: hi'
year: mauf
warm: gyar
cold: tib
full: ljen
new: nis
old: bwe'
good: ko
bad: gef
rotten: prod
dirty: tjus
straight: džab
round: 'eň
sharp: tsiu'
dull: tjra' kid
smooth: weur
wet: e kei (e is an obligatory adjective marker)
dry: seg
correct: hadž
near: mig
far: yol
right: wa
left: ye
at: ga
in: su
with: dem
and: džo
if: soi
because: two
name: dlin
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:18 pm


Grammar (Syntax): pronouns, articles, particles, common auxiliaries, etc.

Personal pronouns

First and second person pronouns have three forms (grammatical, informal, formal), and the informal and formal forms are not a closed class: other words can be used for address to be more formal or intimate, though the forms given are much more common. Grammatical forms have a special use in relative clauses, and are never used to talk about or address someone.

1st. dje (informal), goň dai (formal), lau (grammatical)
2nd. gu (informal), pweg (formal), te (grammatical)
3rd. 'i (animate), dža (inanimate), grammatical forms are the same

Plural forms are formed by following the pronoun with the particle "lje" or (less commonly, and not at all for third person forms) with a plural article. (Grammatical forms do not take this particle or any article.)

Some less common forms: gwei: informal, slightly condescending 2nd person singular form (takes articles and lje); tšar: informal, quite rude 1st person singular form (does not take lje or articles; is actually derived from the article tša).

Other pronouns/Demonstratives

The basic demonstratives are ša (this), ňo (that, medial), and ki (that or yonder, distal), which are both the demonstrative determiners and pronouns, as in English. A rhyming example: Ňo myer ya wer (he) (that river NOM green (is)) "That river is green"; Ňo ya myer wer (he) (that NOM river green (is)) "That is a green river".

The determiners above can be used to form phrases that I probably should have come up with distinct forms for: ša yeb means "this place" or "here".

Some words that can be used to form the equivalents of some common demonstratives (here, thus, why, etc.) are listed here: dai' (person), yeb (place), tswa' (period of time), tsin (manner, method, path); 'a (what), en (not, no), tei (all, every), ňi (one, the "some" in "somebody" etc.).

As modifiers generally follow nouns:
Sa tsin "this way"; "thus"
Tswa' en "never"; "at no time"
Yeb ňi "sometime" (not ňi yeb, "one time", because numerals normally precede nouns)

Articles

Ňeu 'ar requires all nouns to be marked with a determiner or quantifier. This is the only way to indicate regular (not associative) plurality, and all the distinctions here are mandatory.

Tša: definite singular article ("the" or "el", singular)
Tšom: definite plural article ("the" or "los", plural)
Hi: indefinite singular article ("a" or "un", singular)
Um: indefinite plural article (like above but plural; not quite "some" or "unos"; the equivalent in English may lack an article)
Bou: partitive "singular" article (used as English "some", "some of"; "indefinite quality of a mass noun", says Wikipedia; the equivalent in English may lack an article)
Mo: "partitive plural" article (has the sense of "a few"; not really partitive)

Associative plural

The particle used to mark associative plurality is lje. This is the kind of plural marked by Japanese "-tachi" and Mandarin "-们", meaning something like "... and such". It is usually used with people and personal pronouns (for example, Sonya lje "Sonia and her friends/group"; gu lje "you and your people", "you (plural)"). Only very rarely would it be used for animals, and never would it be used with inanimate objects.

Basic copulas

He is the copula for basically everything but location; it corresponds to English "is" mostly and is used with relationships such as "A=B". This may be omitted when the meaning would be clear without it, (but omission is informal) and is always omitted when the sentence is a simple noun+following predicate adjective statement.
Ta is the copula for location and takes the location as its object: 'i ya ki yeb ta (3P NOM yonder place is.at) would mean "he/she is over there." A postposition with the object is optional: the above could also be 'i ya ki yeb su ta (3P NOM yonder place inside is.at), and mean more specifically, "He/she is inside that.distal place." When the preposition is omitted, a general at/in/on/near relationship is assumed.
**Med is the verb meaning "to exist". He is never used to express this meaning. Dje ya tai', ša tsin dje ya med, "I think, therefore I exist."

Negation

The word used for negation is en. It is placed after what it negates and acts as an auxiliary verb. It is a can be moved around freely to negate any word. (So, en could theoretically negate itself, but not the particle lje or an article.)

Questions

Word order does not change in questions. The question word/phrase occupies the place it would have in a normal sentence. Questions are not marked when a question word is used, but in yes or no questions, the interjection so (yes; right) may appear at the end of the question. En (no) could appear instead at the end of the sentence if the answer is expected to be no.

The Quail


The Quail

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:33 pm


Syntax: Word order, sentences, clauses

Ňeu 'ar basic word order is SOV, and SVO is also possible. There is no case marking, unless some postpositions are analyzed as case markers. Word order is mostly left-branching (but a bit ambiguous). Adjectives follow the things they modify, auxiliaries follow the main verb, articles and other determiners precede the noun, postpositions follow the modified noun, and relative clauses may precede or follow the noun they follow. Prepositional clauses usually precede the verb when SOV order is used and usually follow the verb when SVO order is used. Adverbs may follow or directly precede what they modify.

Subject/object separation

The particle ya is placed directly after the subject in a sentence where both occur. In a sentence where the subject is omitted, the particle may still directly precede the direct object, or it may be omitted as well. In a sentence with no direct object, the particle is still used. When the passive voice is used, the direct object is treated as the subject.

Adjectives and possession, numbers

Adjectives and possessors follow the modified nouns and are marked identically (with the particle e which precedes adjectives and possessors, or optionally not at all). Numbers (except ňi when used with some non-numeric meaning) precede nouns.

Relative clauses

Two possible forms:

Preceding the noun: This type is mostly used for simple, short relative clauses. The clause, which alone is formed just as a regular sentence would be, is followed by the particle fa, then by the noun.

Following the noun: This type is mostly used for more complex relative clauses and to emphasize simple clauses, and is rarely used to modify subjects. The noun is followed with the complementizer du, then the relative clause, formed as a normal sentence, then the grammatical pronoun that would be used for the noun modified by the relative clause.

Passive

Passive sentences can be contain or optionally omit the agent (Mistakes were made). The direct object is promoted to the front of the sentence (ya is used as if the subject and direct object were reversed), the subject is marked with the postposition mai, and the auxiliary verb li marks the passive construction.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:27 pm


Postpositions, conjunctions

Postpositions

ga: at/in/on. Also used for time (in January, at this time, on some date, optionally)
na: to, towards, into; also indirect object marker (to/for sth.)
kyo: from, away from
su: inside
woi: outside
pro: above, on
gye: below, under
ri: by, alongside, near; about (concerning)

dem: with (not in the sense of "I wrote it with a pen" as below, but "I had a pen with me")
mai: by means of


Conjunctions

džo: and (or also, when there is only one noun as object); not used for verbs or clauses. May be omitted, especially when only two objects are involved.
me: and, then (used only with verbs with the same grammatical subject: 'i ya tadz ku me kau ku "he/she subject stand PERF and fall PERF)
oi': and; but; then. Used to connect clauses and verbs whose subject is different.
soi: if (actually precedes clause); this is also a common filler word featured in the poll answer (like "ummm...")
two: because (also precedes clause)

The Quail


The Quail

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:28 pm


Verbs; ways of expressing tense, aspect, and mood

Specific words like "yesterday", "once", or "maybe" could also be used to render TAM, but here are the common, grammaticalized ways of marking TAM.

Tense/time

fe: particle used to indicate future tense
you: adverb used to indicate near-future tense (more like "going to X" than "will X"; the latter is closer to fe)
adž: adverb used to indicate past tense

Aspect

ku: auxiliary verb that marks perfective aspect (a completed action or an action seen as a whole). It is also the verb "to leave".
a: particle that marks progressive aspect (emphasizes that an action is ongoing)
ga: particle that marks continuous aspect (emphasizes a continuous state; NOT to be confused with progressive even though there is just a subtle difference). It is also a location marker.
he: auxiliary verb that marks perfect aspect/tense; corresponds to English "have" as in "I have done...". It's also a copula, of course.

Mood

hu: auxiliary verb used to express ability or possibility
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:29 pm


Full vocabulary, alphabetized in near-English order.

(coming soon..? I might give a link to Google documents or a media-download site for a document.)

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The Quail

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:40 pm


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:57 pm


Common phrases and interjections

None yet... People are heard greeting each other with Mil ga pweg! ( (1P.sg) see CONT 2P.formal.sg ) and Tšar kyo tel ku! ( 1P.rude.sg from move PFV ).

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The Quail

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:47 pm


Long examples

Us and Them (Pink Floyd) translation
Really long sample text with ad hoc glossing. The lyrics have many idioms, so the translation should have useful constructions and phrases that I've neglected to put in the thread... Oh, and I've used special wording and omissions for the sake of rhythm and brevity. Various words for "and" are omitted, I stuck mostly to gapped relative clauses to save the extra syllable (the final grammatical pronoun for clauses after the noun), and for "-er" and "person who does X" type constructions I have omitted the dai' where I didn't think it was important. I guess I'll work that into the grammar...

Dje gu lje
1P 2P assoc.pl
Us and them

Oi' tswa' kon ga, dje lje ya um dai' fedž tor he
and time last at 1P assoc.pl NOM indef.pl person common only is
And after all, we're only ordinary men

Dje gu džo
1P 2P also
Me and you

Tša kor ya tor sir, ki ya dje lje ya tso hod fa šin he
the sky NOM only know, that.distal NOM 1P assoc.pl NOM do want COMPL thing is
God only knows, it's not what we would choose to do

«Tom na,» 'i ya džuň ga adž kai' ku
"head to," 3P NOM foot at PST shout PFV
"Forward," he cried, from the rear

Oi' tša hin e ňi ya mod ku
and the group ADJ one NOM die PFV
And the front rank died

Oi' tša gaun tsig ya sou', oi' tšom ňal e hwan tu' ya
and the king small sit, and the.pl line ADJ image earth NOM
And the general sat, and the lines on the map

Wa ye tel ku
right and left move PFV
Moved from side to side

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pu wai seg
black blue color
Black and blue

Oi' 'a dai' ya sir 'a ya 'a he, 'a dai' ya 'a dai'
and who NOM know what NOM is what, what person NOM what person
And who knows which is which, and who is who

Pro gye bin
up down side
Up and down

Oi' tswa' kon ga, tor he 'eň bin 'eň bin, 'eň bin
and time last at, only is round side round side, round side
And in the end, it's only round and round, and round

«Pweg ya 'adj he en, hi twab e krob he,»
2P.formal NOM hear PERF no, a battle ADJ word
"Haven't you heard, it's a battle of words,"

Tša peg dzen nan ya kai' ku
the square fiber carry NOM shout PFV
The poster bearer cried

«'adj, gwei,» tša plub tyar dem fa dai' ya wan,
"hear, 2P.DIM," the lead throw with COMPL person say
"Listen, son," said the man with the gun,

«Bou tši' gu na su bin med»
space/air 2P for inside side exist
"There's room for you inside."

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Des kau ku
poor.ADJ fall PFV
Down and out

Dža ya kes li hu en, oi' šaud fad e dža med
it NOM help be.PASS can not, but amount big ADJ it exist
It can't be helped, but there's a lot of it about

Ner, ner en
Have, have not
With, without


Oi' 'a dai' ya wan dei, dža ya tša twab ri fa šin he
and what person NOM say different, it NOM the fighting about COMPL thing is
And who'll deny, it's what the fighting's all about

Dje kyo tel ku, tai' e goň ner
from move PFV, day ADJ work have
Out of the way, it's a busy day

Tyin e dje ya tai e fad ner
mind ADJ 1P NOM think ADJ big have
I've got things on my mind

Tša dai' bwe' ya, bou tšai' hi baud ňi e
person old NOM, some tea and a bread one ADJ,,,
For want of the price of tea and a slice

Tšyen na adž mod ku
money for PST die PFV
The old man died
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:05 pm


So, guys... What do you think? I know it's far from complete, but besides getting the vocabulary together and ordered properly, I'm not sure what to do. As always, I'm already tired of this language and want to make a verb-initial head-marking language with loads of weird morphology and noun classes and no palatal stuff... confused

The Quail


The Quail

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:24 pm


I finally got the vocab PDF file up! (It's on the top of the Swadesh list post.) Alphabetized vocabulary is much more useful... And I haven't yet attempted the language in the top post. I did a language with relatively crazy verbal morphology but otherwise completely dependent marking, and am starting a mostly head-marking one without excessive morphology. Neither has noun classes (though they make a grammatical animacy distinction sometimes) or is verb-initial.
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