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Maesho

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:15 pm


I naturally assume that all humans are evil and I believe that justly so. All humans have the evil and capability in their hearts to commit the greatest atrocities, it is only a matter of the environment we're raised in and what our personal experiences are. No matter what your personality is, depending on certain conditions, you could be Mother Theresa or Adolf Hitler. I believe that from birth, such evil is inside of us.

However, my issue is this: God's forgiveness must have a limit. We all are evil, we all sin, but how far can you go before God clips you away and casts you into the fire? There is no difference between sins. Murderer, rapist, fornicator or theif, you could go to hell for all of it. I question this daily. It is impossible to live sin-free, and time after time, you sin over and over again...how can you not believe you are not going to hell? I mean if you think about it, God doesn't HAVE to take us all. He could take fourteen of us. There could be people all across the world much better than anyone of us, who sin rarely, who try harder than us. Imagine that. We've loosened our standards so much that we bend the Bible and the word of God so it is lenient to OUR life-style and beliefs. So many people refuse this as well... It draws the line between a Good Christian and those who are just convicted and stubborn. If God told you that you were going to hell, what would you say? Would you try and argue? What if he showed you all those people so much better than you are? God's word is as written, and requires no speculation. God asks you to believe EVERYTHING about him and love him regardless of any conditions in your life.

So what would you do, if you spent your entirely life, believing as you do, only to find out, in the end, you were wrong, and all that you did wasn't enough? Would you trust in God's judgement to let you burn for an enternity? Feeling only the pain of death, but never dying... God's mercy is great, and his love is great, but what if all you're doing is not enough, and because of years of bending his worlds to our life-style now a days, you're going to hell for it?

I think this is about it...

And if you are planning on coming up for some clever way for insulting me or trying to aggravate me, you'll be sadly disappointed. I don't actually care about what you are saying, I am only asking for your opinion and observing it but, if you want to veil your ignorance and arrogance behind your own self-righteuous insult, go ahead and make a fool of yourself child. If your reply actually contains intellectual content, I will take it to heart and sincerely thank you for it. I'll truly appreciate such unprompted kindness.

Oh, and by the way, I'm a Christian as I have been all my life. However, I've used Buddhism in my life as a way to think upon and study God's word in a calm, meditative standing. I worship God and Jesus only, not Buddha, not Siddhartha Gautama. He was a scholar and philospher, nothing more. God and Jesus are my only lord and saviour.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:59 am


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Saying we are evil because we have the capacity is like saying all giraffes are a threat to all airplanes just because of this picture. Sure, they technically can bring down a plane, but that doesn't mean you should assume that they all will, or that they are inherently driven to wandering to airstrips and running amuk.

You know what happens when a human being isn't raised with any form of outside stimulus? You'd think your "inherent evil" would come out, and instead you just get feral people.
What gives us the ability to commit atrocities is our thumbs and our ability to form cognitive thought, there is no inherent evil, and there is evidence that support my argument.

It's illogical, and your entire post revolves around it being correct, I think.
I honestly have no idea what you were trying to say.
You bounced from evil (which is completely subjective mind you) to... Erm, modernization of the Bible (I think) and... um... early (and conceitedly worded) retaliation to people who disagree with you... To "K I luv Jesus guys".

Maybe if you weren't such an a*****e in your opening post I wouldn't have been so cold in this one, but hey do unto others.

Xahmen


Vasilius Konstantinos

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:48 pm


The issue is we are to bend to His will, not our own.

How can we put a limit on the unfathomable, unalterable, unending, uncreated glory, power and person of God?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:44 pm


-_- okay, I apalogize for Zahwomen's post. (The first sentence was funny though, lol)

Anywho, yeah I can see where you're coming from. I feel like this sometimes in my life. Like, after everything I've done, all the shortcomings, failures, and mishaps that I caused, how could he possibly even consider accepting me? Not to metion all the stuff that I haven't screwed up yet but will!

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Karumei

Clean Regular

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:54 pm


The point of the cross is that we aren't responsible for our salvation. We cannot ever EVER be good enough to be saved by our own merit, by our own actions. Jesus died FOR US, that we might be saved. He is "the way, the truth, and the life", the fulfillment of the law -- which is love. Perfect love.

Think of it this way: You are a peasant, wearing tattered, filthy rags, stained by all the grossest things you can imagine. You reek. I mean, really, you smell bad. Along comes this guy you don't even know, and he is super clean, super shiny, and his clothes are all super new. Super. He walks over to you and starts taking off his clothes, then holds them out to you -- no he begins to put them on you. All of a sudden, you are perfectly clean. This doesn't mean that anything you have done, or will do, will change, but it means that God sees you as he sees Jesus. Clean. (mind you, this is NOT the best version of this analogy you could be getting, and it is very vague).

This does not mean that we won't die, we are sinners by nature, we will sin. It is our responsibility, however, in recognition of the fact that Jesus died for us, to repent and love, even though we are sinners.
There is no limit to God's forgiveness -- He wants us to love him, because he love us. He wants us to be with him. If we absolutely refuse to recognize him, or if we do acknowledge him but do not act accordingly, then we are "destined" for hell.

Now, that is a WAY shortened, vague version of what should be said to you, but I encourage you to go talk to a preacher about it. Please.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:19 pm


Zahwomen
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Saying we are evil because we have the capacity is like saying all giraffes are a threat to all airplanes just because of this picture. Sure, they technically can bring down a plane, but that doesn't mean you should assume that they all will, or that they are inherently driven to wandering to airstrips and running amuk.

You know what happens when a human being isn't raised with any form of outside stimulus? You'd think your "inherent evil" would come out, and instead you just get feral people.
What gives us the ability to commit atrocities is our thumbs and our ability to form cognitive thought, there is no inherent evil, and there is evidence that support my argument.

It's illogical, and your entire post revolves around it being correct, I think.
I honestly have no idea what you were trying to say.
You bounced from evil (which is completely subjective mind you) to... Erm, modernization of the Bible (I think) and... um... early (and conceitedly worded) retaliation to people who disagree with you... To "K I luv Jesus guys".

Maybe if you weren't such an a*****e in your opening post I wouldn't have been so cold in this one, but hey do unto others.


seriously, was that picture necessary?!?! please dont attack others in here. we all have the right to our opinions, but there is no need to be abusive.

edit: sorry for reposting the picture

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lordstar

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:22 am


Although perhaps a bit excessive the picture does drive the point the poster was trying to make

and although to say all humans are evil may be a stretch it seems we all must wrestle with our inner demons and our own capacity to do "wrong"

and it is this constant inner struggle however slight that frightens me most
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:31 am


God has no limits...and humans arent evil. Theyre actually good, but became evil because of nature.

explosionism


lordstar

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:03 am


explosionism
God has no limits...and humans arent evil. Theyre actually good, but became evil because of nature.


are you sure God has no limits

once God takes on any sort of definiton God then takes on limitation
this is partly due to our understanding of what is by what is not
artificial or self-imposed
limits are limits

also
isn't there some rules about how God and sin don't mix
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:22 pm


lordstar
explosionism
God has no limits...and humans arent evil. Theyre actually good, but became evil because of nature.


are you sure God has no limits

once God takes on any sort of definiton God then takes on limitation
this is partly due to our understanding of what is by what is not
artificial or self-imposed
limits are limits

also
isn't there some rules about how God and sin don't mix


That has been a question posed which has no answer. C. S. Lewis once made the statement about happiness and unending suffering in the world, which he asked and posed the question "are we here on Earth to make ourselves happy or are we here simply to serve God regardless of our happiness?" to which I paraphrased.

Vasilius Konstantinos


Xahmen

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:30 pm


That picture is awesome.
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