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Libidinal Catharsis

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:34 pm


chaoticpuppet
I believe that what you witness there is what you want to see. I believe that it is a very similar thing to the placebo effect, you want it so much that you create the memories yourself.


Yes, I see what you mean, but that doesn't necessarily negate the possibility. It only makes it harder to prove. Although, I could be saying that only because it's what I want to believe.

DrathBlue
I believe in reincarnation but I believe in it before I knew what is was.


I also believed in reincarnation long before I had ever had it explained to me or was told the word for it. That's the only reason I have to believe in it. I really haven't ever experienced a past life regression, but I have felt that connection to a person that one only feels with those that one has known before.

chaoticpuppet
That life is over, there is no need to look back at it. The mistakes we made will have no impact on what we do in the next.


Couldn't the things that happened to us in our past lives effect the choices we make today the same as the things that happened to us in our current lives do? I mean, bad things happen, and we learn from them. In the present life, we use what we learned in the previous life to make choices, get through things, etc, so that in the next life, we can use what we learned during this one to further progress in our "spiritual education," if you will.

chaoticpuppet
Lastly, we are in a plane of existence in which we cannot look at past lives, because they are attached to physical memories. Physical memories which die when we die, because they are not attached to our soul.


Who's to say what the soul is even made of, let alone whether they can carry memories.

A Murder Of Angels
And we were a druid.


It's a fascinating idea I've never thought of that more than one soul could share bodies and then later "split" for whatever reason. That would explain the increasing population and where all these "new" souls are coming from, since I believe that, like matter and energy, whatever souls are made of is something that cannot be created or destroyed. But what would cause souls to split? Extreme trauma? Not learning the lesson they wanted to learn? Or the inability to learn from eachother any longer because you've simply been together too long and know eachother too well to learn anything new? I wonder if any of that could also be connected to how chaotic our world has become.

Verim
Why do babies die?


As for abortions and Infants that die in the womb very soon after birth:

From what I understand, babies do not have an "ego," i.e. something to tell them emotionally what they want and need. Instead, they have an "id." They are at this point in life, only bodies that need food, warmth, and shelter, but they cannot provide it for themselves because they are so helpless. They become attached to parental figures because parents provide these things. If this confuses you, do some research on baby monkeys and surrogate mothers.

Armed with that information I want to propose a theory; perhaps one does not acquire one's "soul" until one has passed this point in life. At first this does not make any sense --but after hypothesizing this theory and temporarily assuming it, we can answer the question of why babies die, which, under these theories, would be this:

Abortion and miscarriage does not only effect the baby in question. It effects the mother, the family of the mother, and probably countless others. Maybe the true reason for all of that is not a "lesson" for the one not being born to learn, but a way for the mother or the family to learn how to cope with loss, or some other "lesson" that is equally difficult (although quite possible) to fathom or explain.

Of course, all of that is only a speculation, and all theories are only theories and therefor subject to question.

chaoticpuppet
Verim
chaotic puppet
I hold a theory that those who believe they can see their past lives are only seeing a memory they want to see. That memory is made in the subconcious.


I have something to add to this, and I add it because I do not think you know it. When we die, we take something from our physical body. Something leaves our physical body, and it has a physical weight. It was documented a long time ago, there was a doctor in a hospital that went into the rooms of people who were in critical conditions, and placed 4 scales under their bed, 1 under each leg. As each person died, they lost weight. The same amount of weight, for every person, every age, every body type. It's only a few ounces, but it's the same.

So now, tell me again that our soul takes nothing from our physical body, no memories or energy prints.


Could you please provide a link to this study?


http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

The name of the doctor is Duncan MacDougall. And upon searching his name, I also found some stuff about bagpipes that were made around the time he was living. I don't know if this is the same Duncan MacDougall, though.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=343392

This place had some people talking about the experiment and a number of other links that I didn't care to look at, but if you really want to explore this idea, both of the above links are good starting places.

I think I'll make a seperate post as to my own veiws, as this one has gotten way too long.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:45 pm


LibidinalCatharsis
chaoticpuppet
That life is over, there is no need to look back at it. The mistakes we made will have no impact on what we do in the next.


Couldn't the things that happened to us in our past lives effect the choices we make today the same as the things that happened to us in our current lives do? I mean, bad things happen, and we learn from them. In the present life, we use what we learned in the previous life to make choices, get through things, etc, so that in the next life, we can use what we learned during this one to further progress in our "spiritual education," if you will.

1. I do not believe we are able to look at past lives, they are simply memories we want.
2. I believe that past lives will reveal nothing. I believe our existence is to achieve our goal(s) many different ways. In other words, I believe that even if you have completed your goal in one life, you are tested again with a different situation, i.e. instead of being deaf and completing it you are born into a family that has an abusive history. Your goal(s) is/are the same, its the circumstances that change. How will looking at your deaf life help you with your family problem life?

LibidinalCatharsis
chaoticpuppet
Lastly, we are in a plane of existence in which we cannot look at past lives, because they are attached to physical memories. Physical memories which die when we die, because they are not attached to our soul.


Who's to say what the soul is even made of, let alone whether they can carry memories.
It is my belief, you can say what you want about our souls, but this is my belief.

LibidinalCatharsis
chaoticpuppet
Verim
chaotic puppet
I hold a theory that those who believe they can see their past lives are only seeing a memory they want to see. That memory is made in the subconcious.


I have something to add to this, and I add it because I do not think you know it. When we die, we take something from our physical body. Something leaves our physical body, and it has a physical weight. It was documented a long time ago, there was a doctor in a hospital that went into the rooms of people who were in critical conditions, and placed 4 scales under their bed, 1 under each leg. As each person died, they lost weight. The same amount of weight, for every person, every age, every body type. It's only a few ounces, but it's the same.

So now, tell me again that our soul takes nothing from our physical body, no memories or energy prints.


Could you please provide a link to this study?


http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

The name of the doctor is Duncan MacDougall. And upon searching his name, I also found some stuff about bagpipes that were made around the time he was living. I don't know if this is the same Duncan MacDougall, though.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=343392

This place had some people talking about the experiment and a number of other links that I didn't care to look at, but if you really want to explore this idea, both of the above links are good starting places.

I think I'll make a seperate post as to my own veiws, as this one has gotten way too long.

Thanks, I'll look at them, when I'm not bogged down with work.

chaoticpuppet
Crew


Libidinal Catharsis

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:48 pm


I wonder if an explanation for De Ja Vu (sp?) would be that we can choose to live the same life more than one time but make different choices. I'm imagining flipping through one of those "you choose the scare" books R.L. Stine used to write. I was so fond of them. Perhaps De Ja Vu (or however you spell it,) is the memory of a metaphorical "page," or event that we've already "read," or experienced.

I have also wondered about past lives on other planets and why we don't ever remember living in other solar systems. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could learn things about places millions of light years away through spiritual introspection? Imagine how we could grow sociologically as a race of people through the history we would learn of another world.

Although most of the ideas on this thread are pretty far fetched, you can tell I love to think about them. They can't be proven or disproven, and they would make a heck of a great novel.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:22 pm


Chaoticpuppet, let me try to understand where you're coming from. You seem to base your opinions on the foundation belief of a divine being who uses us as experiments. A being that created us just to see what we would do. It gives us life and places us in circumstances we have no control over, to see how we will react. It tests us, to see where our strengths and weaknesses are. Your divine being is very separate from humanity. It watches, it learns, it watches, it throws a wrench in the works to see what happens. I suppose it would also test people with good fortune, to observe changes of priority and emotion. It gives us a specific lession to learn with each life, designed individually for each of the billions of people in the world, and when we die it recycles the soul to another body, to see what will happen in another set of circumstances.

What, then, is the point of souls? Do we need them, if they do not hold anything? If they do not change, if they do not grow/divide/merge/move on, then what are they for? You say this divine being has a heaven for those souls who complete their lesson. Why? If every lession is different, are they all worth heaven? I don't understand how the lessions are decided, and how they are acheived. It's your belief system, I guess. If it makes sense to you, then go for it.

Lady Purplepants


chaoticpuppet
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:49 pm


Verim
Chaoticpuppet, let me try to understand where you're coming from. You seem to base your opinions on the foundation belief of a divine being who uses us as experiments. A being that created us just to see what we would do. It gives us life and places us in circumstances we have no control over, to see how we will react. It tests us, to see where our strengths and weaknesses are. Your divine being is very separate from humanity. It watches, it learns, it watches, it throws a wrench in the works to see what happens. I suppose it would also test people with good fortune, to observe changes of priority and emotion. It gives us a specific lession to learn with each life, designed individually for each of the billions of people in the world, and when we die it recycles the soul to another body, to see what will happen in another set of circumstances.
Pretty much

Verim
What, then, is the point of souls? Do we need them, if they do not hold anything? If they do not change, if they do not grow/divide/merge/move on, then what are they for? You say this divine being has a heaven for those souls who complete their lesson. Why? If every lession is different, are they all worth heaven? I don't understand how the lessions are decided, and how they are acheived. It's your belief system, I guess. If it makes sense to you, then go for it.

1. Everyone has one or more lessons.
2. There is no reason for me to believe that this/these lesson/s differ from person to person; in other words it is very possible for everyones lesson/s to be the same.
3. Every life our soul has, it has the same lesson/s from the previous life, all the way back to the creation of that soul. In other words, our lesson/s do not change from life to life.
4. Each new life is a situation in which to test how strong/weak our souls are.
5. Our soul holds our characteristics/personalities, there is no need to hold memories, as they will not help.
6. I believe that our lives end when we have had enough lives to show that we are strong, and that it ends much the way buddhism ends, nirvana.
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