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 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:13 am
Nethilia Religions not followed by everyone have no bearing on other people's actions. Murder is a legal term in our society, not defined by religion, and to define it by religion is to force others to subscribe to a religion they do not follow. Exactly. My religion tells me that humans are people when they gain attributes unique to human beings, i.e. high-level thinking, sentience, emotion, and personal bonds. Monkeys and apes have these attributes to some degree, but not to the degree that we do. Why is your religious belief better than mine?
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:24 am
Lelas Nethilia Religions not followed by everyone have no bearing on other people's actions. Murder is a legal term in our society, not defined by religion, and to define it by religion is to force others to subscribe to a religion they do not follow. Exactly. My religion tells me that humans are people when they gain attributes unique to human beings, i.e. high-level thinking, sentience, emotion, and personal bonds. Monkeys and apes have these attributes to some degree, but not to the degree that we do. Why is your religious belief better than mine?
Religion, to me, has no bearing in the abortion debate. It doesn't convince anyone of anything, people become defensive, and, more often than not, people's beliefs are insulted.
It's just better not to open up a can of worms that isn't going to change a single mind.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:36 pm
FreeArsenal Lelas FreeArsenal It's like an example I heard about getting into the car and using a seat belt, it doesn't matter, the seat belt can represent the contraceptives, and the crash can be representative of the impregnation... but the fact that you got into the car means that you accepted full responsibility for the risks as you accepted not only the driver of the car, but the drivers all around you. It's been said before, but I'll repeat it: just because you disagree with abortion, that does not make abortion an irresponsible choice. It's not happy or fun, and it requires sacrifice and pain. It's less extreme than birth, but it is a responsible decision. If you were in a car wreck, you still wouldn't be happy that you got in that wreck. If you could possibly take back the injuries you received, you wouldn't be called irresponsible for doing so, now would you? Abortion is a sign of irresponsibility because the person chose to engage in sex in the first place. If the person didn't have sex, there would never be a need for an abortion in the first place. And your remark on getting rid of the injuries, it is very clever because it brings us back to the debate of whether the fetus is a being of life or isn't. If you were in a wreck and had a lot of injuries, would you consider taking back those injuries at the expense of another responsible? Abortion is taking responsibility. It may not be the form of responsibility you personally would want someone to take, but it still is responsibility. It's not some joyous happy procedure that women just hop into. Women who get abortions usually think long and hard whether it is the correct route they should take. And saying that the person is taking a risk by having sex should be prepared to have a child is ridiculous. They could take protective measures to help ensure that conception does not take place, however they should be able to choose their course of action if the woman does indeed become pregnant. And please don't say adoption. Adoption resolves the problem of raising a child that you don't want, or can't support. It is not a means of preventing a pregnancy.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:02 pm
Mcphee They aren't.
Religion, to me, has no bearing in the abortion debate. It doesn't convince anyone of anything, people become defensive, and, more often than not, people's beliefs are insulted.
It's just better not to open up a can of worms that isn't going to change a single mind. Of course. I was just replying to his claim that his stance came from his religious background...'tis all.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:10 pm
Lelas Mcphee They aren't.
Religion, to me, has no bearing in the abortion debate. It doesn't convince anyone of anything, people become defensive, and, more often than not, people's beliefs are insulted.
It's just better not to open up a can of worms that isn't going to change a single mind. Of course. I was just replying to his claim that his stance came from his religious background...'tis all.
I'm just not fond of religion where abortion is concerned.
People shouldn't let their secular beliefs have any bearing on debate.
I twitch a bit when I see a sentence end with the words 'Cause that's what the bible says.'
It irks me a bit when people bring God into it.
It's like, come on, argue logic, not your religion. Although the two go hand in hand, sometimes, where certain opinions are concerned.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:45 pm
Mcphee It's like, come on, argue logic, not your religion. Although the two go hand in hand, sometimes, where certain opinions are concerned. You hit the nail on the head, you did.
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