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iJew_Intelligence101

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:44 pm


Divash
iJew_Intelligence101, this very thread contains the answers to your questions. I'm not going over it again. This thread was dead a year ago, didn't need to be excavated, and needs now to be reburied. Thanks.


Why?

EDIT: From what I can see, there's this fellow named Link who has been very misunderstood in Jewishness, but in no way violated the rules. He didn't claim Jesus to be the answer for anyone other than himself, he didn't preach... and didn't use Christian doctrine...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:39 pm


iJew_Intelligence101
Divash
iJew_Intelligence101, this very thread contains the answers to your questions. I'm not going over it again. This thread was dead a year ago, didn't need to be excavated, and needs now to be reburied. Thanks.


Why?

EDIT: From what I can see, there's this fellow named Link who has been very misunderstood in Jewishness, but in no way violated the rules. He didn't claim Jesus to be the answer for anyone other than himself, he didn't preach... and didn't use Christian doctrine...

I agree. I've already been banned for defending him.... or, more accurately, for the insults at Divash and the undermining of authority involved in the outburst defending him. Link's banning was somewhat contraversial and honestly I still feel it was unwarranted.
HOWEVER, it was a long time ago. Link has moved on with his own 'Beautiful Day' guild. It's old politics. Let's not reopen old wounds.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:51 am


Bless you, Lumanny. I hated banning you, I hate banning anyone, and I really don't want to have to get even close to it again.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:52 pm


Link_of_Hylia

We sing this great part of liturgy at all of our services called The Shema. It comes from Deuteronomy where we say "Hear O Yisrael. The Lord our God, the Lord is One. Shema Yisrael, Adonai elohenui Adonai Echad. Then it comes in with the second part. Baruch shem kvod malchuto l'olam vaed. Blessed be his glorious kingdom forever and ever!

Shema! Listen! Oh Israel! The Lord is OUR GOD. The Lord is One. BLESSED be HIS glorious kingdom FOREVER.


Jewish.

Link_of_Hylia

It's not this beautiful little song or thing we say each week to remember who we are or what our religion means. It's there to remember God. The Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt. Not Moshe, not Aaron, not Yitzhak or the descendants of Yoseph. It's a prayer to remember your God.

And you shall love Adonai your God with all your heart,
with all your soul,
and with all your might. And these words which I
command you on this day
shall be upon your heart.


Jewish.

Link_of_Hylia

There is no separation of faith in these words. That's my Jewish identity. To love Adonai with all my soul and all my might. His words are on my heart and I want to be blessed in fellowship of those words given to us by God with the JGG.


Jewish.

Link_of_Hylia

Yeshua's interpretations is as some would say Rabbi Hillel's interpretations of the Tenach in the Talmud are. The difference is that I believe in Yeshua's interpretations. I don't mean to come here and spout off about how he saved me but I am not ignorant to my faith and certainly am only here to discover more about my God and my Jewish family


Counter-cultural... yet just a statement not directed at anyone in particular.

Link_of_Hylia

I believe in Yeshua but I also believe in Yahweh and the Tenach. I'd love to contribute and be apart of the discussion here. I am not ashamed of the Gospel. I am not ashamed to be Jewish. I am not ashamed to be Messianic. I am not ashamed of the Lord my God.


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A part of myself has always liked to play Devil's Advocate... and certainly I don't even know the situation beyond this with Link... however, in pertaining to what he had to say... I personally wish to give a counter to his words, not a counter to himself... which seems to be what happened months ago.
(breaking this down based on each quote)

1st Quote) The Shema is a very important part of my life... it gives me a since of Judaism. I can remember my dad telling me a story of children that were lost in the Holocaust and displaced... and as the rabbis would try to find the Jewish kids they would sing the Shema and the kids would run to the rabbis because they recognized it. Love HaShem with all your heart... that's big. So I can't deny the first quote.

2nd Quote) Powerful message from the Torah. That would answer some of my questions if I was simply struggling with the concept of being a Jew... so in essence, this quote supports the topic named "Questionable Torah."

3rd Quote) Perhaps your Jewish identity is wrapped up more in the words of Torah because you are Messianic... but yet, my identity isn't wrapped up in tradition as much as a lot of peoples.

4th Quote) Interpretation of torah vs. parables... Hillel laid out interpretations... not an equalizer.

5th Quote) Hey... as long as you're not forcing faith down our throats... I can respect what you believe. You have been raised like me... so let's respect each other, k?

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According to the rules you listed... he broke none via these posts. So thats why I was wondering... why?

iJew_Intelligence101


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:23 pm


@iJew: I've said it before and I'll say it again- You're right but you're too late. It's old news. DON'T GO THERE.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:22 pm


Lumanny the Space Jew
@iJew: I've said it before and I'll say it again- You're right but you're too late. It's old news. DON'T GO THERE.


Eh, sweatdrop I guess I did bring back a pretty dead topic. Questionable Torah entices me. So a question about torah to stimulate discussion:
Do you find it hard to relate certain parts of the Torah to your life beyond the main commandments? How is the Torah still active in today's society?

I have an answer, but I'll let you guys start. ^_^

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