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ElenaMason

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:39 pm


First off, I'm new to the guild so HELLO EVERYBODY! smile I posted this in another guild but no one responded to it. So I figured since I'm completely into demons and angels so I figured I should be posting in a guild like this.

Okay:

1) I am a firm believer of demon's and angels. And 98% of the time when you're dealing with a spirit, its going to be a demon, from what I've studied and have dealt with personally.
2) No...I'm not so naive to believe that every spirit/poltergeist/demon/ghost video on youtube is real. There are ways to fake the stuff easily in most cases of what you find on youtube.

With that in mind, here is a video I want you guys to review.

House Poltergeist

Okay now that you guys have viewed over it, here is what I want to ask you.

1)Most videos found of moving items of any sorta, can most of the time be faked. But if a video involves strange activity with an animal THEN it gets my interest.

So the first thing I want to ask is, how easy is it to train an animal to react to something that obviously you can't see? I mean yeah it could be argued that someone could have been behind the camera to cause the dogs to react, but at the angle the dogs look up and the way they act nervous in such a strange way...I mean what do you guys think of that?

2) Physics...what usually fascinates me on some videos is the "physics" of how an object can be faked moving on its own with a wire string vs of it being moved by an unnatural force and appearing in an unnatural movement.

What get's to me the most in this video is the "physics" of how the paper towel is flipped. I mean if it was pulled off the table, that could be easily faked with fishing wire. But studying the direction of where its being flipped and HOW its being flipped boggles the s**t out of me. Basically when I look at it, it looks like a paper towel being flipped forward, and then played in reverse. Only in this case that "reverse" motion is happening first. Does that make any sense? I mean the "physics" of it makes no sense to me or how it could be faked, hence why it looks real to me.

3)Okay, the chemistry of somebody's vision. When you stare at something without blinking for a period of time and move your vision away; almost like a photographic memory, you can still see that image in front of your eyes. I forgot the technical term for that.

The reason I bring that up is because throughout the entire video, if you keep starring at the door when its opening and closing, you can tell there's an inconsistency of movement of shadow and what not on the door. Almost as if you're seeing a watery ripple affect in the air. You can see it to the upper right of the door frame and you can see it above the table. Even if I stare at these spots in the videos with my peripheral vision, I sitll see the watery affect in the air. And yes I know sometimes not as clear quality videos can create that type of affect on the video, but in this one it seems too out of place to me.

4)Radio wave frequencies.

Obviously about the radio. Yes, someone could be fiddling with the radio, but that's an extremely weird sound for a radio frequency to be interrupted don't you think? I want to hear your thoughts on it.

5)The door opening and closing. When it closed the first time, I figured someone was inside the closet and pulling it shut. But then when it kept reopening and reclosing...you'd have to turn the handle in order to open it and close it like that so I doubt you can do that with fishing wire. What do you think of that theory? How could that possibly be faked?

One other thing I clearly noticed is at one point the video's vision blurred. Can that be easily faked as well? Usually if a video is edited you can tell where the video cuts on and off, but I don't seem to notice any of that in this video. Also one last note. If this is fake, it'd have to be done by at least more than one person correct? And if so, if there were multiple people in the room, wouldn't the dogs have noticed or reacted at least? The dogs only reacted to one thing.

Let me hear ALL YOUR THOUGHTS!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:49 am


It is an interesting video, one of the few I've seen on line that I wouldn't write off as fake right away.

Animals can be easier trained to react to different things. Both dogs have their ears forwards which normally indicates interest in something. Neither seem nervous to me, but are watching something either unseen by us or something out of the camera shot.

Fishing wire is not the only thing that can be use to move objects. A group of friends of mine had a rather larger debate (read: Fight) over this some years ago so we experimented and found that you can use a air can (like those used for air horns only with the horn removed) to create large busts of air that can move things. This could have been used on the roll of paper since it's light. I have no idea how this would love on film though as we didn't film it.

Number 3 i can't help you on I don't know much about eyes. XP

Radios, old ones mainly, can be interrupted but outside forces. Planets going over or even mobile phones.

The door I have no really ideas on. We can't seem all the way inside the passage so it's possible that someone is hiding just around the corner reaching for the handle and unlocking it. This could allow someone else to use the wire of some sort to move it.

The blurring of the video could just be down to a faulty camera.

The dogs would react to more that one person if they just came in and started shotting. It's more likely that if a group came in they would have to set everything up and sort out camera angles and 'props'. This all takes times and the dogs would have calmed down and relaxed after about an hour of having a lot of people in the house at once.

Well those are just my thoughts. It's an interesting thing to watch. ^^

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ElenaMason

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:15 am


Dazzler
It is an interesting video, one of the few I've seen on line that I wouldn't write off as fake right away.

Animals can be easier trained to react to different things. Both dogs have their ears forwards which normally indicates interest in something. Neither seem nervous to me, but are watching something either unseen by us or something out of the camera shot.

Fishing wire is not the only thing that can be use to move objects. A group of friends of mine had a rather larger debate (read: Fight) over this some years ago so we experimented and found that you can use a air can (like those used for air horns only with the horn removed) to create large busts of air that can move things. This could have been used on the roll of paper since it's light. I have no idea how this would love on film though as we didn't film it.

Number 3 i can't help you on I don't know much about eyes. XP

Radios, old ones mainly, can be interrupted but outside forces. Planets going over or even mobile phones.

The door I have no really ideas on. We can't seem all the way inside the passage so it's possible that someone is hiding just around the corner reaching for the handle and unlocking it. This could allow someone else to use the wire of some sort to move it.

The blurring of the video could just be down to a faulty camera.

The dogs would react to more that one person if they just came in and started shotting. It's more likely that if a group came in they would have to set everything up and sort out camera angles and 'props'. This all takes times and the dogs would have calmed down and relaxed after about an hour of having a lot of people in the house at once.

Well those are just my thoughts. It's an interesting thing to watch. ^^


Air horns huh? Never thought of that before. But even then, someone would have to have been in front of the paper towel to angle it in such a way to blow it in the reverse direction. And even then the movement of it seemed almost too perfect for human intervention to create. Usually a bust of air could cause it to fly in the direction it was going, but the WAY it was flipping through the air didn't seem natural at all. And the way it landed so perfectly in the corner of the couch....just doesn't seem faked. Also consider the fact that, lets say it WAS knocked back by a puff of hard air, normally something light like that would bounce off of the couch.

Regarding number 3, even if you don't know much about the schematics of the eye and how it works, did you or did you not see the water affect type of image constantly moving in front of the door? You didn't really say anything about it and others have claimed they saw what I saw. Radios...I use them all the time and I know phones can be interrupted, but the "timing" of the interruption is rather convenient. And assuming this isn't fake, I find it too ironic that the radio would have been interrupted in that particular point and time, and more than once.

Also if the video was cut in any place, it would have shown. But the video goes all the way through without any sense of it being edited in any way or cut to show editing.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:05 am


The air horn idea is just an idea. It's an interesting video that really gets you thinking. I may do a bit of research and see if I can get the same effect by knocking a roll of paper. It would interesting to see if the effect could be caused my human hands.

My eyes are very bad. I didn't see any sort of water effect in the video but then i don't watch videos on line very closely as they hurts my eyes a great deal.

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ElenaMason

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:43 pm


Dazzler
The air horn idea is just an idea. It's an interesting video that really gets you thinking. I may do a bit of research and see if I can get the same effect by knocking a roll of paper. It would interesting to see if the effect could be caused my human hands.

My eyes are very bad. I didn't see any sort of water effect in the video but then i don't watch videos on line very closely as they hurts my eyes a great deal.


All right cool. Let me know what you come up with, with the experimentation on the paper towel.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:06 am


I will has soon as I get a hold of a air can. That might take a while, I don't go into the city much.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:26 pm


Here is my take on the video, and all of that stuff.

1. The dog thing is true. They seemed not really nervous, but anxious. I think that they were definitely reacting to something, but what is unclear, seeing as it is out of range of the lens.

2. I agree with you here. The paper towel looks like it is first going in reverse, then straightening out. This is extremely weird, and is virtually impossible to be done in human means. And i would like to point out the sudden slight dull spot near the roll before this happened. It is hard to see, but visible.

3. This was a partial manifestation. I clearly, enhancing the video using different colors, saw a hand, and a forearm. This is extremely unusual, as i have heard of an actual shadow manifestation doing this a couple of times. This happens while it is opening and closing, look at the nob especially.

As for the whole video, i would have to disagree.

4. This sounds like a radio from the 80's, 90's, or the current 00's. The speakers are not producing static, meaning that they should be fairly new, meaning that they disturbance should not have happened. There is proof that spirits use out energy, which essentially runs off of slight energy pulses. When you leave a device on, such as a camera or a radio, spirits can use its electrical field to manifest or preform activities. This is probably the cause of the static, the waves being used for manifestation and physical anomaly that can clearly be seen.

5. As i stated above, the camera being blurred could be a direct link to the things that happened previously. If the submitter of this video did this every day for a month, and recorded everything, then that would greatly help. Also the date and time, that would be another helper.

All over all, i would say that this is a mischievous child spirit.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:42 pm


My fiancee took film classes in school and said while he knows how to do these things this video is intriguing. And while, yes he does believe in the paranormal, he is very objective when looking at supposed ghost videos. He thinks this could be real and I am inclined to agree with him.

The behavior of those dogs and the way the paper towels flipped onto the couch interested me. The towels were way to perfect to be done with canned air or string and those dogs were definitely looking at something very nervously.

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