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Sith_Master_Steve

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:14 am


mr_zoot
Why would diabetics and heart patients have it tough? is it because their visits are not emergency? or is it the cost of their drugs? In the UK, drugs are covered by the NHS and every single prescription from pain killers to protease inhibitors costs $10 or less. Free for seniors or indigents.

Diabetes are really important dude!
Ever see someone with too-high or too low sugar?
They can die
Diabetes can be an emergency!
And, Heart Pqatients, my mother just had to go to the hospital recently because of her heart problems, almost died infact.
But, Heart attacks aren't an Emergency?
Also their Medication does not coast less than $10 bucks.
My father pays $100-200 around there a month, for his Diabetes.
mr_zoot

What government regulations are you talking about that make health care more expensive? Surely not safety regulations or training standards for medical professionals? Or the rule that says indigent emergency patients get emergency care even if they can't pay?

I'll get back to you on this one, I gotta go to class sad
mr_zoot

Your right about the power of insurance companies and Pharmas. They are practically an insurmountable barrier with their lobbying power and campaign contributions. The result is we get these half assed, quasi-universal health plans that use existing insurance companies as a mechanism of health coverage instead of just paying for it directly with tax dollars. I realize that Hillary Clinton's health care defeat in the 90's, despite a democratic president AND senate, was epic and current proposals seem to reflect that reality.....but it still stings.

^It has a little to do with this though...
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:39 am


My aunt has diabetes, and let me tell you that they do in fact treat diabetic shock as an emergency. I haven't heard of any diabetics dying in waiting rooms here.

invisibleairwaves
Crew


mr_zoot

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:43 am


I know diabetes is important and potentially deadly and requires constant care, medication, and doctor visits to maintain. My question is why people with diabetes would have it worse under a socialized system? I think they would have it better under a socialized system.

The drugs cost $100 here but in the UK they'd cost $10 because they are subsidized by the NHS (taxes), also the British government has better control over drug prices since NHS is overwhelmingly the largest customer in Briton. If drug companies want access to the majority of the customers in the UK, they have to deal with the NHS, this gives them a stronger bargaining position to demand better prices.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:35 am


mr_zoot
I know diabetes is important and potentially deadly and requires constant care, medication, and doctor visits to maintain. My question is why people with diabetes would have it worse under a socialized system? I think they would have it better under a socialized system.

The drugs cost $100 here but in the UK they'd cost $10 because they are subsidized by the NHS (taxes), also the British government has better control over drug prices since NHS is overwhelmingly the largest customer in Briton. If drug companies want access to the majority of the customers in the UK, they have to deal with the NHS, this gives them a stronger bargaining position to demand better prices.


hmm drug money going to the government, I really don't think that would fly here, I ask you what percentage of your wages are taken out of your check. Regardless of the fact that it would probably save almost everybody money in the long run, I don't know about over there but here people don't like the stigma of having more money taken out of thier check.

the tax program in this country lies heavier on public perception than it does actual results. I believe this may have been a factor in the election of Obama. If americans see more money coming out of thier checks they are going to be pretty pissed off, because largely in the united states we think with our pocket books, not our brains (one of the main reasons we are in this financial crap)

Twizted Humanitarian
Crew


Sith_Master_Steve

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:47 am


invisibleairwaves
My aunt has diabetes, and let me tell you that they do in fact treat diabetic shock as an emergency. I haven't heard of any diabetics dying in waiting rooms here.

It doesn't have to be an emergency just little tidbits they might need.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:48 am


mr_zoot
I know diabetes is important and potentially deadly and requires constant care, medication, and doctor visits to maintain. My question is why people with diabetes would have it worse under a socialized system? I think they would have it better under a socialized system.

When you got people with other problems Diabetes and other things usually go down on the list for other medical things.
i'll go on, but I got The Boys by Garth Ennis now, and Its hella good you guys should pick it up!

Sith_Master_Steve


mr_zoot

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:00 am


I think diabetes would be easier to manage under a socialized system because

1. the drugs and supplies would be cheaper

2. a good portion of diabetes management is similar to preventative care, which is used far more extensively in a socialized system because doctor visits don't cost a hundred dollars a pop.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:09 pm


mr_zoot

1. the drugs and supplies would be cheaper

We'd be paying it, and We don't got the money to run it, unless we print off more money, or borrow from the Chinese both are catastrophic to the economy.
mr_zoot

2. a good portion of diabetes management is similar to preventative care, which is used far more extensively in a socialized system because doctor visits don't cost a hundred dollars a pop.

Not all the time, I have relatives that get shafted in Canada for their Diabetes, with lines and what not.
Get the Government out, costs in health care are lowered!
In the 1960's-1970's when one did not need health insurance to go into the doctor it was cheaper.
There are clinics today that do not require insurance at all.
Health Insurance originally was for something like My arm is hanging by a thread, not I think I got a cold.
Lobbyists went into Washington to make it mandatory for health insurance for doctor visits. The government has some running in today's health care system.
It is not running efficiently today, what makes you think it'll run better with full government control?
You Remember Walter Reade incident for U.S. Soldiers in Iraq a few years back? Troubles like that will happen when the government takes over U.S. Health care.
BTW: Find yourself a Iraq War/Afghanistan War Veteran who seeks medical Help, He/She'll tell you half the time when they want medical coverage they'll give them a big bottle of pills. Like Horsekiller ones. Instead of the help they may need.

Sith_Master_Steve

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