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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:42 pm
My Hollow I agree with Ash as far as the goth metal thing. Not the HIM comparrison, though. I think it depends on what the person is into currently.
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:26 pm
I don't try to convert people, but I'll help someone if I can.
As for getting someone into it, I'd generally say that the more mainstream bands are the best to start with.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:01 am
I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking.
Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no.
Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink
Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink .
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:40 am
Digital Malevolence Volvy Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha I got one of my friends into gothic and symphonic metal by way of Apocalyptica. Within Temptation and Nightwish are hardlty kvlt, yes, but it's moving in the right direction.
The most accessible metal genres are gothic and thrash, I think. I thought Heavy and Power were... But Iron Maiden and Dragonforce are nearly just as popular(maybe not so much Dragonforce because they are a new). There is a huge difference between Goth Rock and Gothic Metal, and HIM are not Goth Rock. Goth Rock is stuff like: Sisters Of Mercy, Bauhaus, and Siouxsie and the Banshees. HIM are just a rock band who use a little bit of Goth Rock influences and a little bit of Metal. I tend to think metalcore is the most accessible, but that's only if you already have a nu-metal/alternative audience. Most Metalcore isn't Metal though. True, but it's a transition point. I started out listening to metalcore before I dove into metal fully, and my convertees have generally done the same.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:44 am
kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:16 pm
My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. kacisko Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink .
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:22 pm
The first band I really got into was Converge (not a metal band), but thanks to them I got into Entombed around the same time I got into Mastodon and Saint Vitus.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:01 pm
Divinus Cruor My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. kacisko Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . A lot of Doom is within normal song length, especially the more Heavy metal-ish ones, which are the first ones she should hear anyway (only a couple of exceptions really).
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:24 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. kacisko Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . A lot of Doom is within normal song length, especially the more Heavy metal-ish ones, which are the first ones she should hear anyway (only a couple of exceptions really). really? most of the purest doom bands (like candlemass and saint vitus) have really long tracks, that's why I said that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:42 pm
Volvy Digital Malevolence Volvy Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha *strokes chin* If we're going by pure popular appeal, no, they aren't. Metallica and Megadeth are extremely easy to get into, especially if you've been exposed to classic rock. Gothic is usually melodic and simple, traits that are good for mass appeal. Just look at the popularity of HIM (I know they're goth ROCk, but the difference between goth rock and metal is often very narrow). But Iron Maiden and Dragonforce are nearly just as popular(maybe not so much Dragonforce because they are a new). There is a huge difference between Goth Rock and Gothic Metal, and HIM are not Goth Rock. Goth Rock is stuff like: Sisters Of Mercy, Bauhaus, and Siouxsie and the Banshees. HIM are just a rock band who use a little bit of Goth Rock influences and a little bit of Metal. I tend to think metalcore is the most accessible, but that's only if you already have a nu-metal/alternative audience. Most Metalcore isn't Metal though. True, but it's a transition point. I started out listening to metalcore before I dove into metal fully, and my convertees have generally done the same. I suppose...
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:31 pm
Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. kacisko Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . A lot of Doom is within normal song length, especially the more Heavy metal-ish ones, which are the first ones she should hear anyway (only a couple of exceptions really). really? most of the purest doom bands (like candlemass and saint vitus) have really long tracks, that's why I said that. True, but Black Sabbath, Pentagram, Witchfinder General, Cirith Ungol, The Obsessed, Trouble, etc; still have for the most part normal length songs and are among what should be listened to first in Doom.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:53 am
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor My Hollow Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. kacisko Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . A lot of Doom is within normal song length, especially the more Heavy metal-ish ones, which are the first ones she should hear anyway (only a couple of exceptions really). really? most of the purest doom bands (like candlemass and saint vitus) have really long tracks, that's why I said that. True, but Black Sabbath, Pentagram, Witchfinder General, Cirith Ungol, The Obsessed, Trouble, etc; still have for the most part normal length songs and are among what should be listened to first in Doom. Trad Doom is not the only version of doom bestowed upon man (though my better half would insist other wise wink ), Death doom or Goth doom arent' too horribly long. Rainshadow or The Etheral, FTW.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:06 am
My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. Could be about goth. Although about doom - I don't see it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:44 am
kacisko My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. Could be about goth. Although about doom - I don't see it. Well go into the Goth forum, and check out Rainshadow.
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:11 am
My Hollow kacisko My Hollow kacisko I t really all depends on what that person likes in music. My friend is a huge fan of Depeche Mode. And now, what she likes there is a) vocals, b) that it generally is somewhat melodic. Though, she likes to listen to some metal songs. A few of Manowar, Maiden, Metallica songs. But what she can never accept is what for example happens in Metallica's One. She likes it until James stops singing - basically the instrumental part after it is too metal and too less melodic for her liking. Though generally, looking at what she likes to listen to besides Depeche Mode, you could think she can be converted. DM is itself very rocky, then she likes Rammstein, HIM, some Faith No More, Linkin Park and stuff like that. But everytime you want to put on something more away and more extreme than that - she says no. Maybe she's just too old to get converted wink Oh... and the song should not be longer than 5 minutes. If it's longer, it gets boring wink . Sounds like she would Like som Goth and doom metal. Could be about goth. Although about doom - I don't see it. Well go into the Goth forum, and check out Rainshadow. Nice music. I'm not sure if she's going to like this kind of guitar and vocals, but I'll see what can be done about it wink .
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