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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:04 pm
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance* rolleyes all a scale is, is a series of notes, yes? and a note, in and of itself, is can not be described as being melodic, yes? it is only melodic if you use it in the context of creating a melodic arrangement. the melodic minor scale is a gathering of notes, yes? as we can see, the notes themselves are not melodic. it is called a melodic minor scale because those particular groupings of notes, in that arrangement, tend to be useful in creating melodic arrangements. however, one is capable of using a melodic minor scale to write music that is not particularly melodic. while the harmonic minor is more common in black metal, both brutal death and raw black metal bands have been known to utilize the melodic minor scale in the creation of pieces that were not particularly melodic. after all, all the scale is is a series of notes. this series of notes can be supplemented with other notes from compatible scales and modes. they can be supplemented with chromatic runs. they can also be supplemented with notes from incompatible scales and modes to add "evil" sounding dissonance/atonality. and, interestingly enough, both the melodic and harmonic minor scales include the tritone, which is a particularly dissonant combination of notes, especially useful for creating the types of sounds sought in raw black metal and brutal death metal. in fact, in the right context, you could use any scale to make raw or brutal music, even a major scale, provided you use it properly (to provide dissonance with a non-6th minor scale, for example). you're talking about 'tone'. when you use certain notes from a melodic scale avoiding some of the scale you're playing in a 'melodic scale tonality (sp)'. Maybe using pentatonic scales (which can me minor or major). This is fact dude, I've been learnign thise for years now. so you acknowledge that the melodic scale CAN be used to create non-melodic sounds. that's all i was trying to point out. some notes from the melodic scale, in chord forms. The melodic scale itself has to be played in a ascending-descending form, if not, then you're just harmonizing with it, not actually doing melody with it. I mean that's what you were trying to explain. yes, that is what i was trying to explain... so we had that big debate only to find we're on the same side? *facepalm*
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:16 pm
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance* rolleyes all a scale is, is a series of notes, yes? and a note, in and of itself, is can not be described as being melodic, yes? it is only melodic if you use it in the context of creating a melodic arrangement. the melodic minor scale is a gathering of notes, yes? as we can see, the notes themselves are not melodic. it is called a melodic minor scale because those particular groupings of notes, in that arrangement, tend to be useful in creating melodic arrangements. however, one is capable of using a melodic minor scale to write music that is not particularly melodic. while the harmonic minor is more common in black metal, both brutal death and raw black metal bands have been known to utilize the melodic minor scale in the creation of pieces that were not particularly melodic. after all, all the scale is is a series of notes. this series of notes can be supplemented with other notes from compatible scales and modes. they can be supplemented with chromatic runs. they can also be supplemented with notes from incompatible scales and modes to add "evil" sounding dissonance/atonality. and, interestingly enough, both the melodic and harmonic minor scales include the tritone, which is a particularly dissonant combination of notes, especially useful for creating the types of sounds sought in raw black metal and brutal death metal. in fact, in the right context, you could use any scale to make raw or brutal music, even a major scale, provided you use it properly (to provide dissonance with a non-6th minor scale, for example). you're talking about 'tone'. when you use certain notes from a melodic scale avoiding some of the scale you're playing in a 'melodic scale tonality (sp)'. Maybe using pentatonic scales (which can me minor or major). This is fact dude, I've been learnign thise for years now. so you acknowledge that the melodic scale CAN be used to create non-melodic sounds. that's all i was trying to point out. some notes from the melodic scale, in chord forms. The melodic scale itself has to be played in a ascending-descending form, if not, then you're just harmonizing with it, not actually doing melody with it. I mean that's what you were trying to explain. yes, that is what i was trying to explain... so we had that big debate only to find we're on the same side? *facepalm* *facepalms you too*
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:52 pm
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor you're talking about 'tone'. when you use certain notes from a melodic scale avoiding some of the scale you're playing in a 'melodic scale tonality (sp)'. Maybe using pentatonic scales (which can me minor or major). This is fact dude, I've been learnign thise for years now. so you acknowledge that the melodic scale CAN be used to create non-melodic sounds. that's all i was trying to point out. some notes from the melodic scale, in chord forms. The melodic scale itself has to be played in a ascending-descending form, if not, then you're just harmonizing with it, not actually doing melody with it. I mean that's what you were trying to explain. yes, that is what i was trying to explain... so we had that big debate only to find we're on the same side? *facepalm* *facepalms you too* *facepalms mopsicle for getting us started on this debate*
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:54 am
OK... sweatdrop
At least you're done with that debate xp
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:59 pm
kacisko OK... sweatdrop At least you're done with that debate xp or ARE we? *evil laugh* ninja
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:48 am
MegaTherion777 kacisko OK... sweatdrop At least you're done with that debate xp or ARE we? *evil laugh* ninja *joins* you haven't seen the last of mega vs cruor pointless discussions!!1!
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Warrior of Metal Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:05 am
But isn't pointless discussions what its all about anyway? Isn't that what keeps us here? Isn't it what makes us as awesome as we are?
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:28 pm
Warrior of Metal But isn't pointless discussions what its all about anyway? Isn't that what keeps us here? Isn't it what makes us as awesome as we are? Indeed, we are teh awshum 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:35 pm
Warrior of Metal But isn't pointless discussions what its all about anyway? Isn't that what keeps us here? Isn't it what makes us as awesome as we are? you're confusing us with /b/. MR is srs bsns.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:38 pm
MegaTherion777 Warrior of Metal But isn't pointless discussions what its all about anyway? Isn't that what keeps us here? Isn't it what makes us as awesome as we are? you're confusing us with /b/. MR is srs bsns. Because every conversation that occurs in this guild deeply impacts our lives and is completely purposeful. xp
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Warrior of Metal Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:42 pm
Warrior of Metal MegaTherion777 Warrior of Metal But isn't pointless discussions what its all about anyway? Isn't that what keeps us here? Isn't it what makes us as awesome as we are? you're confusing us with /b/. MR is srs bsns. Because every conversation that occurs in this guild deeply impacts our lives and is completely purposeful. xp it would be if you werent such a cancerous troll!!1! scream scream scream
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