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 Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:43 pm
WatersMoon110 It's almost strange, I feel. Both sides almost agree on what they want, a reduction of unintentional pregnancies. We almost agree on the way to achieve this: encouraging abstinence and (usually) teaching about contraceptive use. I think both sides would also like to see better treatment of pregnant women (I know I would!). Eventually, I feel, elective abortion won't even be an issue. Artificial wombs and fetal transplant surgery should really make elective abortion a thing of the past.
One way to prevent abortions would obviously be better birth control. I wish there were condoms that weren't sensitive to heat. And why aren't they thicker for gosh sake? Would thickness take away from the pleasure? o_O [/dumb virgin questions] I almost bought a pack from the store so I could study them, but I didn't want weird looks from the clerk. xd
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:00 pm
Well condoms at all take away from the pleasure; I mean, you're putting a layer of latex between you and your partner. sweatdrop Thicker would eventually mean no pleasure, at least for the man. Increasing the thickness also causes problems because it would decrease the compactness.
But really, as long as you're getting quality condoms, they should work fine. When you use them right, they've got a very high success rate. But you shouldn't be using them anyways, young lady! mad Or ever having sex. We need to lock you in a tower or something, keep you away from The Boys. ninja
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:30 pm
I.Am Well condoms at all take away from the pleasure; I mean, you're putting a layer of latex between you and your partner. sweatdrop Thicker would eventually mean no pleasure, at least for the man. Increasing the thickness also causes problems because it would decrease the compactness. But really, as long as you're getting quality condoms, they should work fine. When you use them right, they've got a very high success rate. But you shouldn't be using them anyways, young lady! mad Or ever having sex. We need to lock you in a tower or something, keep you away from The Boys. ninja Picture this- your lips on my lips- A mirror have to do for now cause you vanished like a cloud. Rainbows wept color all over the streets when you went away, maybe one day we'll meet. Oh woman, you're calling me, haven't slept a wink since 1916. I wasn't born then, but sure feels time's been ticking.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:38 pm
WatersMoon110 It's almost strange, I feel. Both sides almost agree on what they want, a reduction of unintentional pregnancies. We almost agree on the way to achieve this: encouraging abstinence and (usually) teaching about contraceptive use. I think both sides would also like to see better treatment of pregnant women (I know I would!). Eventually, I feel, elective abortion won't even be an issue. Artificial wombs and fetal transplant surgery should really make elective abortion a thing of the past. I am glad you feel that way. Unfortunately, it seems that whenever "choice" is mentioned, it's always talking about abortion. It's like the choicers ignore adoption as a valid choice. I don't go there because I don't like to be pissed off all the time, but are there any adoption threads in the choice guild? I've heard they actually remove adoption threads. Doesn't that make at least this definition of "choice" more pro-abortion? Of course I'm not accusing you of being this fallacious form of "pro-choice", since you seem actually for choices.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:41 pm
divineseraph I.Am Well condoms at all take away from the pleasure; I mean, you're putting a layer of latex between you and your partner. sweatdrop Thicker would eventually mean no pleasure, at least for the man. Increasing the thickness also causes problems because it would decrease the compactness. But really, as long as you're getting quality condoms, they should work fine. When you use them right, they've got a very high success rate. But you shouldn't be using them anyways, young lady! mad Or ever having sex. We need to lock you in a tower or something, keep you away from The Boys. ninja Picture this- your lips on my lips- A mirror have to do for now cause you vanished like a cloud. Rainbows wept color all over the streets when you went away, maybe one day we'll meet. Oh woman, you're calling me, haven't slept a wink since 1916. I wasn't born then, but sure feels time's been ticking. Oh good, you're gay for me, so I don't have to worry about anything untoward with Lorysa. Still, he's a bad influence anyways on the basis of being a pinko-commie.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:45 am
divineseraph WatersMoon110 It's almost strange, I feel. Both sides almost agree on what they want, a reduction of unintentional pregnancies. We almost agree on the way to achieve this: encouraging abstinence and (usually) teaching about contraceptive use. I think both sides would also like to see better treatment of pregnant women (I know I would!). Eventually, I feel, elective abortion won't even be an issue. Artificial wombs and fetal transplant surgery should really make elective abortion a thing of the past. I am glad you feel that way. Unfortunately, it seems that whenever "choice" is mentioned, it's always talking about abortion. It's like the choicers ignore adoption as a valid choice. I don't go there because I don't like to be pissed off all the time, but are there any adoption threads in the choice guild? I've heard they actually remove adoption threads. Doesn't that make at least this definition of "choice" more pro-abortion? Of course I'm not accusing you of being this fallacious form of "pro-choice", since you seem actually for choices. I'll explain this. Pro-choicers tend to get backed into a corner - very very few people disagree with pregnancy or adoption, and pro-lifers are happy to keep them as valid choices. Pro-lifers argue AGAINST abortion - therefore pro-choicers end up always arguing FOR abortion, even though it is not the only choice. I hope that makes sense. Also, the PCG doesn't delete adoption threads that I've noticed, and I've been there a while.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:44 am
Sachiko Sohma actually came to us originally because she made a thread about adoption and got bitched at.
But I think the point he's making is, for instance, on the Daily Show during the RNC, they made a big deal about how the Palin family said that Bristol made a choice, but supposedly want to take that same choice away from other women. This completely ignores the fact that there are choices aside from abortion and live birth.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:48 pm
Fran Salaska divineseraph WatersMoon110 It's almost strange, I feel. Both sides almost agree on what they want, a reduction of unintentional pregnancies. We almost agree on the way to achieve this: encouraging abstinence and (usually) teaching about contraceptive use. I think both sides would also like to see better treatment of pregnant women (I know I would!). Eventually, I feel, elective abortion won't even be an issue. Artificial wombs and fetal transplant surgery should really make elective abortion a thing of the past. I am glad you feel that way. Unfortunately, it seems that whenever "choice" is mentioned, it's always talking about abortion. It's like the choicers ignore adoption as a valid choice. I don't go there because I don't like to be pissed off all the time, but are there any adoption threads in the choice guild? I've heard they actually remove adoption threads. Doesn't that make at least this definition of "choice" more pro-abortion? Of course I'm not accusing you of being this fallacious form of "pro-choice", since you seem actually for choices. I'll explain this. Pro-choicers tend to get backed into a corner - very very few people disagree with pregnancy or adoption, and pro-lifers are happy to keep them as valid choices. Pro-lifers argue AGAINST abortion - therefore pro-choicers end up always arguing FOR abortion, even though it is not the only choice. I hope that makes sense. Also, the PCG doesn't delete adoption threads that I've noticed, and I've been there a while. I know there have been "I've had an abortion" type threads, or at least people saying such things (which really disgusts me- If it's supposed to be a solemn and hard choice, why are they celebrating making it? Did German nazis wear "I gassed a jew" T-shirts?) But are there any "I chose adoption" or "I chose to give birth" threads? I mean, it just seems to me like the pro-choice side puts more celebration on abortion than on the other supposedly equal options.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:29 am
divineseraph Fran Salaska divineseraph WatersMoon110 It's almost strange, I feel. Both sides almost agree on what they want, a reduction of unintentional pregnancies. We almost agree on the way to achieve this: encouraging abstinence and (usually) teaching about contraceptive use. I think both sides would also like to see better treatment of pregnant women (I know I would!). Eventually, I feel, elective abortion won't even be an issue. Artificial wombs and fetal transplant surgery should really make elective abortion a thing of the past. I am glad you feel that way. Unfortunately, it seems that whenever "choice" is mentioned, it's always talking about abortion. It's like the choicers ignore adoption as a valid choice. I don't go there because I don't like to be pissed off all the time, but are there any adoption threads in the choice guild? I've heard they actually remove adoption threads. Doesn't that make at least this definition of "choice" more pro-abortion? Of course I'm not accusing you of being this fallacious form of "pro-choice", since you seem actually for choices. I'll explain this. Pro-choicers tend to get backed into a corner - very very few people disagree with pregnancy or adoption, and pro-lifers are happy to keep them as valid choices. Pro-lifers argue AGAINST abortion - therefore pro-choicers end up always arguing FOR abortion, even though it is not the only choice. I hope that makes sense. Also, the PCG doesn't delete adoption threads that I've noticed, and I've been there a while. I know there have been "I've had an abortion" type threads, or at least people saying such things (which really disgusts me- If it's supposed to be a solemn and hard choice, why are they celebrating making it? Did German nazis wear "I gassed a jew" T-shirts?) But are there any "I chose adoption" or "I chose to give birth" threads? I mean, it just seems to me like the pro-choice side puts more celebration on abortion than on the other supposedly equal options. Maybe none of us have chosen adoption yet? The only pro-choicer I can think of that's given birth recently(ish) is Veolin (am I allowed to say names? If not, mod-edit plz). I don't think she made an "I'm giving birth" thread, I don't remember whether or not she posts in the PCG. There's definitely a few sigs floating round about being a pro-choice mother. I.Am: huh. That really sucks... I know there are some slightly more militant members and some that wouldn't choose adoption, but as I said - being pro-choice, you often end up decrying all other options, just because you know they're safe.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:28 am
Fran Salaska divineseraph Fran Salaska divineseraph WatersMoon110 It's almost strange, I feel. Both sides almost agree on what they want, a reduction of unintentional pregnancies. We almost agree on the way to achieve this: encouraging abstinence and (usually) teaching about contraceptive use. I think both sides would also like to see better treatment of pregnant women (I know I would!). Eventually, I feel, elective abortion won't even be an issue. Artificial wombs and fetal transplant surgery should really make elective abortion a thing of the past. I am glad you feel that way. Unfortunately, it seems that whenever "choice" is mentioned, it's always talking about abortion. It's like the choicers ignore adoption as a valid choice. I don't go there because I don't like to be pissed off all the time, but are there any adoption threads in the choice guild? I've heard they actually remove adoption threads. Doesn't that make at least this definition of "choice" more pro-abortion? Of course I'm not accusing you of being this fallacious form of "pro-choice", since you seem actually for choices. I'll explain this. Pro-choicers tend to get backed into a corner - very very few people disagree with pregnancy or adoption, and pro-lifers are happy to keep them as valid choices. Pro-lifers argue AGAINST abortion - therefore pro-choicers end up always arguing FOR abortion, even though it is not the only choice. I hope that makes sense. Also, the PCG doesn't delete adoption threads that I've noticed, and I've been there a while. I know there have been "I've had an abortion" type threads, or at least people saying such things (which really disgusts me- If it's supposed to be a solemn and hard choice, why are they celebrating making it? Did German nazis wear "I gassed a jew" T-shirts?) But are there any "I chose adoption" or "I chose to give birth" threads? I mean, it just seems to me like the pro-choice side puts more celebration on abortion than on the other supposedly equal options. Maybe none of us have chosen adoption yet? The only pro-choicer I can think of that's given birth recently(ish) is Veolin (am I allowed to say names? If not, mod-edit plz). I don't think she made an "I'm giving birth" thread, I don't remember whether or not she posts in the PCG. There's definitely a few sigs floating round about being a pro-choice mother. I.Am: huh. That really sucks... I know there are some slightly more militant members and some that wouldn't choose adoption, but as I said - being pro-choice, you often end up decrying all other options, just because you know they're safe. Sorry, let me rephrase that- It seems that for a large portion, they only celebrate one choice.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:05 pm
I.Am Sachiko Sohma actually came to us originally because she made a thread about adoption and got bitched at. But I think the point he's making is, for instance, on the Daily Show during the RNC, they made a big deal about how the Palin family said that Bristol made a choice, but supposedly want to take that same choice away from other women. This completely ignores the fact that there are choices aside from abortion and live birth. Yeah, from what I remember, I got annoyed that for being pro-choice they didn't talk a lot about all the other choices (at the time was sort of on the fence but more personal pro-life) so I thought for the people that don't want to have an abortion, I would give info about adoption (trying to be helpful, it wasn't meant to cause a huge argument. I just thought more info on it would be nice as people might want to know know about it and other options out there as abortion it's the only one so it just seemed fair). Needless to say, nobody liked or supported the thread and flamed me so I just got angry and just stuck with the PL guild. Many be was how I worded everything but is hard being pro-life (personal or political). The thing with Palin's family is that they have money so if if the daughter did choose to raise it she can while others can't as they don't have that kind of money, which way I felt it is important to talk about other options so they don't felt trapped.
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