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Gosh, it's the way I talk. Dx Do you want me to take out a few more words in my vocabulary while I'm at it? I don't like censorship and it's not like I'm asking you to "refrain" yourself from anything.

Sure, an engagement ring can simply be taken off, but it's the meaning behind it. Engagement rings lead to marriage and families and giving Nessie that shows what he is planning for what's in store for her. How do you make families? By procreating which means sex.
Nessie doesn't have much of a choice since she's going to be growing up with Uncle Jake telling her how much he luffles her and will never let her go.
It's like when you teach a child how to do math. Tell a kid that 1+ 1 = 2, the kid will memorize it and not question it. Each time the kid's asked what 1+1 is, the kid'll answer "Two!". When Nessie is being showered with all the attention from Uncle Jake who keeps telling her one day he'll marry her and luffle her forever, she's not going to question it because she'll memorize it just like a math equation.

Sure, Nessie might grow up and think about other romantic options besides Uncle Jake, but by that time he'll be such a large part of her life. If she even goes out with a boy, Uncle Jake will always be watching her. Also, wasn't it stated somewhere that "no one could resist that level of devotion"? Nessie would be pushed into a corner and know that if she chose another man, Uncle Jake would never move on. Due to that, Nessie would feel bad and not leave Uncle Jake so he wouldn't be alone and she would feel like it was her fault it she left him. To refuse the man who had been raising her and loving her for her whole life would put a serious damper on her conscience.
So, Nessie only has the illusion of choice since Uncle Jake would be so close and connected with her that hurting him would be like hurting her own father.

So, referring to people as "Sweetie" and the like is condescending and rude now? I must be rude to my friends, teachers, and relatives too now. :/ Sorry, but maybe if we were talking in real life you'd hear my southern accent and notice my tone. But we're on the internet and you can't and I honestly don't like how my colloquialisms are being targeted as being rude and insulting. If I wanted to be insulting, I'd be calling you all whores or something like that. Now that's an insulting name.

But what if Nessie's not intelligent enough to make her own choice? We hardly know anything about Nessie and in BD, she had no personality. Also, Emily, Kim, and Rachel are all old enough to think for themselves yet none of them have decided to leave their imprinters. I'll ignore Kim's situation since she was practically begging for Jared's love and that was her choice.
Emily and Rachel, on the other hand, had no background with Sam and Paul and they still stayed with them because of the boy's devotion to them. Emily even tried to get away from Sam and explain some sense into him since she knew Leah was hurt over Sam's sudden change in love interest, but in the end Sam's devotion to her was too much to avoid and she stayed with him.
When we factor in that Nessie will grow up with Uncle Jake being around her constantly and we factor in that two grown women, who hardly knew their imprinter, haven't been able to leave their imprinter gives Nessie slim to nothing chance at anything other than Uncle Jake as a future husband.

Now, since I'm trying to find out how I'm being "rude", what part of this post was "rude" 'cause I'm not seeing it.

Which is why I haven't called her Sweetie anymore. :/

I never said she would be a moron, but not everyone will be top psychologists or law changing physicists. What I am trying to get at is Nessie's intelligence will be developed by her parents and Uncle Jake teaching her and Nessie might not be intelligent to make her own choice with Uncle Jake being such a big part of her life.
Like I said earlier, Emily and Rachel are old enough to make a concious, competent decision on who their lover is yet they haven't been able to chose anything other than Sam and Paul. Both women are educated and we know that Rachel has graduated from college and has an intelligence beyond a twelve year old, but they aren't able to chose anything other than their imprinter. Nessie will grow up with Uncle Jake teaching her about everything around her outside of school and chosing someone other than Uncle Jake who has been everything but a parent to her will never cross her mind and if it does, she'll dismiss it entirely.

But we do know that Emily did try to fight against it. That she would rather have Sam be with Leah. She was yelling at Sam and telling him how he shouldn't be with her and be with her cousin Leah and that event led up to Sam's transformation and Emily's scars. So Emily did not chose Sam at first and didn't want him to be with her, but she ended up Sam because of his imprinting compulsion being too one-tracked.
I think that Nessie just won't have any other choice, but her Uncle Jake because of how involved and influential he'll be in her life.

(I honestly cannot remember which interview I read of Meyer's, but she did say something along those lines about Emily and Sam.)

I've been reading all of this....

You're acting as if they're real life people.

You know, most people who actually read, and I mean really read, the Twilight series, understand that ***** is bad. But I don't believe that it's ***** to love someone younger than you.

Think of this situation:
So say I'm actually twenty something years old, and I'm dating some guy who has a kid. Usually, when you date someone, you end up loving them. When you date someone who has kids, the kids become a daily part of your life, and you learn to be affectionate and to love them. So, is that *****? Yeah, you could say it's a parental love, but still, there is not blood connection, and if you were to break-up with that person, that doesn't mean that you stop loving them OR their children.

And again, bringing up age...

Jacob, technically isn't an adult either. SOOOOOOOO the whole age thing is pretty much a moot point. He's still 15 or 16 or whatever. Yeah, physically, he's like some 26 year-old, but a teenager is still a teenager. You can be a mature teen, but...you're still a teen.

AND since we're still acting like they're real life people, I'll continue with the gossip!

You're acting like Nessie is going to be "Lucy the handicapped kid down the road." Are you forgetting who her parents are? AND she's a frikken half vampire. Though, essentially their minds are human, they can look at a situation much more efficiently. So in that sense, by the old age of seven, she's probably going to have a little more brain power and common sense about things then Jake. Yeah Emily and Whatserface chose to be with them, but they did infact have a choice. It's because THEY couldn't ignore their devotion. Humans are egocentric. We adore the attention. Well, most do.

but just because someone else does it, doesn't mean she will. It's like you're stereotyping her with the characteristics of someone who is completely different from her. Haven't you ever heard of the people who go against the crowd? Renesmee is going to be growing up with an eclectic bunch of people. I don't think that just because someone is pressuring her, that she'll give in. Bella is as stubborn as an ox, and Edward is a cunning as a fox (not intending to rhyme xD). With that together, she'll set her mind to something and not give in, and have the wit and slyness to achieve it.

I just wish people would stop trying to twist things into something they weren't meant to be. It's like parent's blaming video games on school shootings. It's their kids, they need to take responsibility for being an incredibly screwed up parent for not noticing the signs that their kids were, in fact, going postal. Video games aren't meant to train people in the ways of killing, just to keep you entertained. Something that was meant to be kind, caring, and innocent has been completely tainted by the dark minds of today's society. Everything has to be negative and evil instead of nice and warm and fuzzy. Damn the media.

I'm southern too. I come from the heart of Texas, and even I could tell that you were being condescending. You wanna talk about accents? Mines as thick as peanut butter. I hate it too -_-;

Don't call people you don't know on the internet Sweetie, Hon, Sugar, or Babe. It pisses them off. Not everyone is used to Southern Hospitality.

The difference between Edward and Bella's situation is that Edward PHYSICALLY wanted to EAT Bella. If it wasn't for that, then Edward would probably paid no attention to her. And no parent tells there kid "I thirsted for your Mama's blood, and so I almost killed her, but then I got to know her and watched her in her sleep. Because of it, I fell in love with her, and so I put her through a living hell. After a lot of suicide attempts, I came back home, but then Your Jakey-Jake was in love with Mommy too. We fought a lot, with each other and other little vamps, and after that Jacob and Mommy didn't see each other anymore. A little after that, me and mommy got married, had lots of hardcore sex, and then BAM! a week later you were a bun in the oven. At first, I wanted to rip you out of her body and burn you alive, but then I could hear you thoughts so I knew you were okay..." and so on and so forth. The cullens are an open family, but there are some things you just don't discuss -_-

Jacob isn't aging and Nessie is. And apparently her mind is aging faster than her body, so I think even though physically she won't be completely mature, She'll be pretty mature mentally, before she's even full grown. Technically, humans aren't even full growing till they reach somewhere from 21 to 25 and there are 12 years olds that are more mature than a lot of adults.

And, Stephenie Meyer, I'm sure, didn't want her books to be taken this way. To her, it's just something that happens to the werewolves (or shape shifters if you get technical). No one cared if it was someone completely grown up, or at least half way through their teenage years. And why does it matter? Yeah, okay, so what if Nessie wants to be with him. EVERYONE wants a soul-mate. But either way, she's not gonna have sex with him until SHE herself is ready. This is Stephenie Meyers characters, and they all seem to have a will of steel (except for Edward.) I still don't see how this can be called ***** if she's gonna be old enough anyway. And um, no one would let it happen. Super hearing remember?

AND WHAT PROMISE RING? I don't remember anything like that.

AND, even if to Stephenie they're real people, I'm sure she also realizes that they aren't physically real. So technically, even to her, they aren't alive or actual people. They are people in her head. Kind of sorta the equivalent of having an imaginary friend, except she's close to middle-age and has kids.

POINT IS:
I don't see why people are making such a big deal. It's meant to be taken as sweet and not perverted.

I can see it from both sides. If it were a real thing, I would probably be arguing your side. But it's not. Bottom line. Doesn't matter if the author thinks it is, it's not.

@emo_icecream:
Yes, Jacob isn't physically aging but in two years his age will be eighteen and Nessie will not be matured physically by then nor the legal age in years.
From what's presented to us right now, we don't know if Nessie is strong willed or not. She seems to take the blame for everything and blames herself like when the Volturi was coming and she said somehting along the lines of "This is my fault, isn't it?" That's not being strong willed. Lol, saying that it can't be called ***** since eventually she'll be old enough is that same as saying that you don't think it's ***** if the eight year old girl next door to the perverted fourty year old who has been watching her will be old enough for him to take in a couple of years anyways.
I know Stephenie Meyer didn't want us to take this the "wrong" way, but that's not the point. Authors don't write book so people will perform an analysis on them. If we had a way to ask him, I bet Shakespeare didn't mean for all his anachronisms to be flaws in his plays or for his plays to even be studied like they are today. Just like other books we read, we interpret them differently and the author can't do anything about that.
Gah, I only do parenthetical documentation on essay, but since you used caps lock on me, "On [Nessie's] wrist was an intricately braided Quileute version of a promise ring." (653) Happy now? It even goes on to say that Edward gritted his teeth at the gift, but Bella, of course, didn't care about the symbolism.
@choirperson:
Yes, it's established that Nessie is more advance then other babies her age, but that's seriously not saying a lot. How old is she again technically? She's only a few months old. From what the book gives us, she seems to have developed object permanence and can think on a higher level than a baby whose been alive for a few months. I'd guess she's at the preoperational stage, which means she would be six mentally. Yes, that's advance for a being that's been alive for, like, three months or something, but that is defintely NOT advance enough for abstract concepts like love and right and wrong. We have no proof that her mind is as strong as her parents or if she is independent. We only know that she is simply developing faster. Even though she develops faster doesn't mean she can skip essential steps of building intelligence and self.
The only thing Nessie could think when she was in the womb was that she felt happiness at the sound of Bella's voice and then later Edward's. Most likely it wasn't stated word by word, but by raw emotions that Edward could pick up through mind reading.
Edward obviously doesn't like Jacob ending up with Nessie and how fast Jacob is to make it official, but since his dear Bella thinks it's the most wonderful thing in the whole freaking world, Edward's not going to do anything unless Bella gets upset.
Nessie doesn't have the mental resources to call upon to decide wether or not she has a problem with Jacob. In her eyes right now Jacob is a person who is a big part of her life and she can say that she "loves" him, but like any child she has not fully grasped what "love" entails. She might be years ahead of her technical age, but that dosn't mean she's already has a teenager's mind. She's still a developing child so she doesn't have a grasp on what Jacob is meant to be to her due to imprinting. Also, if none of the Cullens or the wolves had even told her about imprinting, then there is no way whatsoever that she knows why Jacob sticks to her like glue. That would be like saying a sixth grader already knows how to write a sentence in spanish without any background or knowledge of the language.

I don't know where the abusive comment came in, but I do think Edward's a stalker and that's creepy. Since it's not the topic, I don't really care about Edward's apparent abusiveness, but I do know that there is a topic about that at twilightsucks.com.