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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:51 am


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doesn't anyone remember the episode when they went to a parallel world and the TARDIS died. the doctor then sacrificed 10 yrs of his life to revive it. does this only apply to his current body or other bodies resulting from regeneration. they really need to be more specific.


I'm pretty sure it meant his current body, it's logical... since the others haven't existed yet (in a wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey way...)

Regeneration is practically starting anew, I don't think he can actually do anything to his future selves. Except stop and have a chat. wink

But I guess not stating it exactly means it leaves it open for you to ponder. Not such a bad thing really!
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:15 am


The Penguin of Death
time lords can live forever

unless killed before they could regenerate



yes but what if he is like sort of in the middle of a regeniration when he is killed?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:10 am


I'm not sure but in last of the time lords doesn't the master say that he's accelerated the doctors body to the point of regeneration at 950 years implying that if it got any older that the doctor would regenerate so in theory a time lord could live for 12350 years without accidents....

Also It's possible for a time lord to steal another timelords remaining regenerations as the master previously tried to do to the doctor.... Therefore provided that there are other timelords it would be possible for one in particular to become immortal....

But I do believe a blast of pure zectonic energy has the power to detroy a timelord's ability to regerate... rofl (curse of fatal death)

and in Turn Left someone from unit tells rose that "it happened to quickly for the doctor to regenerate" when she sees him dead....

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:32 am


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I'm not sure but in last of the time lords doesn't the master say that he's accelerated the doctors body to the point of regeneration at 950 years implying that if it got any older that the doctor would regenerate so in theory a time lord could live for 12350 years without accidents....

Also It's possible for a time lord to steal another timelords remaining regenerations as the master previously tried to do to the doctor.... Therefore provided that there are other timelords it would be possible for one in particular to become immortal....

But I do believe a blast of pure zectonic energy has the power to detroy a timelord's ability to regerate... rofl (curse of fatal death)

and in Turn Left someone from unit tells rose that "it happened to quickly for the doctor to regenerate" when she sees him dead....

Spoiler has been whited....


Totally never knew any of that (:
But, now I do! Much thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:13 pm


tennantsbutterfly
Where's the fount of Whovian knowledge that is Richard_Swift? He'd clear this up... biggrin


Well, I'll have a go. smile

The Doctor does indeed tell us in The War Games that his people live forever, baring accidents. Which would seem to suggest they'd be immune to dying from old age. Since aging, for those subject to it, is hardly an accident so much as a given.

Trouble is, as you've all spotted, we see a Time Lord body wear out through old age when the First Doctor carks it in The Tenth Planet.

Since the First Doctor must be somewhere around 450 at that point (the Second Doctor gives that as his age in Tomb of the Cybermen and hasn't had any time away from his human companions in which he could have been doing any signifigant off-screen aging between The Tenth Planet and then) then it seems like "forever" = 13 X 450ish. Which gives us a rather pathetic 5850ish years.

So what's to be done about this? The Doctor doesn't seem to be lying, simplfying or exaggerating when he says his people live forever, and indeed he's got no reason to in The War Games with so many of his secrets laid bare.

One obvious answer, given the controversy over whether or not the Doctor's first incarnation has one heart or two, is to think that a Time Lord's first body is subject to ageing and that subsequent bodies are capable of living forever unless they do anything silly like fall off radio telescopes or get themselves operated on by Grace Holloway.

Unfortunately, this idea also doesn't fit with what we've seen on-screen. Time Lords we've seen in their thirteenth incarnation include the Master in The Deadly Assassin and Azmael in The Twin Dilemma. Neither of which seem poised to sit out eternity; One's a wizened and zombiefied ol' walking corpse and the other's an ancient duffer who looks about fit to keel over any minute...and eventually does. If Time Lords like these are going to live forever, then they aren't going to be pretty pictures when they do so.

The novels solve this in an interesting way. Naturally born Time Lords, from before the Pythia's curse, are indeed immortal and immune to aging, but later Time Lords born from the Looms age in the way we've seen.

The best example we've seen of this is Patience, an early Time Lady and Omega's wife, who is still alive by the Fifth Doctor's time. Since at least ten million years have passed, that gives her a lifespan somewhat in excess of the 5850 years it seems the Doctor's generation can hope for.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:21 pm


What about the time the 1st Doctor got subjected to accelerated time in The Dalek Master Plan? It killed Sara Kingdom & pretty much disintegrated her remains I believe, so how much age did that add to the Doctor?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:45 pm


Richard_Swift, you are great! That is a beautiful answer and explains a lot.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:47 pm


In the series three finale the master accelerated the doctor's age up to 1800 years. If ten never regenerated would that mean he would look that way if 1800 years or so was added to him?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:53 am


Hmm well so in the new series he did die (sort of), so they can technically die, if they don't regenerate. The master did as well, so does that mean he's dead?? no idea. guess so. and yeah, the whole 13 lives / 12 regens thing... I'm pretty sure they'd keep that consistent in the new series or else face a lot of rampaging old series fans. Unless they can come up with an excuse that would explain him living forever. Be pretty cool wouldn't it, doctor who going on foreveeeevvvverr.... it's already the longest running sci-fi... it could TAKE OVER ZE WORLD MUHAHAHA. *cough*
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