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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:39 pm
Lazarus The Resurected hollyannabar Krait Damn thats one seriously ******** up person. Wonder why he did it, or if there was even a reason. Well maybe he was satanist and believed it was okay to do it because it made him feel good? Who knows. From what I've read of Satanism in this thread, it's a possibility. I'm not going to lie, when I hear about those things, it makes me wonder if the people are demon possessed >< (some people don't believe possession still happens, but it mos def does.) well if he was posessed by demkons i dont think he would be complaining about the devils music in the victims headphones. on the other hand what does this have to do with satanism. ? Well I was just sayin that he could have been a satanist, based on number 8 in your 9 points. And about the 9 points, what do you mean by "psychic vampires" in number6? cuz that really makes no sense to me XD
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:43 pm
Taken from darkness hollyannabar The greatest single cause of atheism
in the world today is Christians,
who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door,
and deny Him by their lifestyle.
You know what Hart, you're a very respectable person :} I like you XD (not in a creepy way O_o)
the only thing I want to say right now is this...you said "And this is where you differ from alot of christians I know, to them serving God is very important, but heaven is the goal." I hope you realize that those Christians are not following correctly in their faith.
You may be "amazed" (too tired to think of a lesser degree of that word) to find that I believe a lot of things different from what most "Christians" believe.
Meh, true christianity is much more interesting than what most churches teach.
Anyways, I'm not going to pretend like I'm not, so I'm pretty depressed tonight (yay struggles and trust issues ><) so I'm going to leave now....
That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.
your top left & bottom right sentences are the intro lyrics to war of ages fire from the tomb It's used in DC Talk's song as well. The quote is coined by Brennan Manning
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:54 pm
hollyannabar Taken from darkness Lazarus The Resurected Ok here it is the thread on Satanism. i'd like to point out that Satanists do not worship your Christian Devil. The practice of Satanism is to live by one's own morality the name comes fromt eh idea that Satan is the churches symbol for humanity. The Nine Satanic Statements 1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents humanity as just another animal species, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of its “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious species of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as it has kept it in business all these years. I'll post more later ok i'll put this straight out it just looks to me that satan has a hold of you. If you actually didn't worship satan you wouldn't be a satanist i'm not flaming. but i think that anyone who turns to it, satan has a hold on you, you could have just turned away from Christianity but you decided to go complete opposite and i believe that satan will destroy you on the inside. anton lavey was a true worshiper of satan, and i don't think that you would have chosen this path if you wanted to get away from Christianity that is my answer to you Well said :} thanx it took me 10 min to think of that
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:05 am
lol, it's kind of ironic.
Satanists say that they don't worship Satan, but actually do a sort of self-worship, and in effect they deny that God exists, --which is what Satan wants people to think.
It is important that Christians be accepting of all peoples, so I am, but to accept another religion is a horrible thing. Satanism is simply an organized group of atheists, probably based on some philosopher's musings, that attempts to define morality without God. Naturally, they do a crappy job. Morality without God doesn't make any sense at all. It is a religion for those that desire to sin and want to feel good about it. It's that simple.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:35 pm
brad175 Morality without God doesn't make any sense at all.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:16 pm
Ben Franklin was a Deist, which was basically a beleif that there is a god but when he created man and the earth he had no higher purpose other than to observe them, and yet he made himself follow a strict set of morals to better himself as a person. I am the same way, as I am a deist, yet I set my own morals that I feel will help me better myself as a person. I don't do them because a faith tells me it's the right thing to do, I do them because I feel it's the right thing to do. Things such as stealing, murder, assault, and anything else that can negativly effect a fellow human are things I chose to avoid if possible.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:42 pm
I've been meaning to join this discussion but my schedule has really thrown me off. It seems I have quite a bit to cover.
As far a morals go, most religions have morals. Although, not every religion's morals are the same, and some are very different from other religions.
The problem I have with setting your own morals is the fact that if you have no solid foundation, your morals tend to change frequently.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:09 pm
That's very true. My morals have went through drastic changes ever since I hit highschool. But to think somthing is wrong just because your faith says it is makes about as much sense to me as how having morality without a god makes sense to Brad. Why is it wrong, as long as it dosn't negativly effect anyone? I mean seriously humility works outside of religion as well. Who likes an arrogant p***k? Kindness is the same way. I help a person because I feel it's the right thing to do, not because God says it is. Though acourse a similar person would say that it is a waste of time, then that's just how that person is. Christians to me are just like every other person, they vary. Not all keep the teachings of their faiths and others keep them to a T and then some just to make sure they are doing the right thing.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:04 pm
Very true Hart. What I have found when following Christ is that all the rules/laws that He has made for us are made with our interests in mind. Each rule is set so that we may be safe and have a close relationship with God.
As far as following morals because "God said so", I would think that would be doing the right things for the wrong reasons. The bible says that out actions should be out of love for Him, not just fear of Him. If you can't love God, then why bother to follow Him? The question I would then ask those who can't love God, why not?
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:29 pm
I didn't say that people "don't have" morals if they don't follow God. I said that "morals without God don't make any sense."
Aside from the consequences of my action, why shouldn't I murder someone if I don't care that I've hurt God in doing so? If there is no God, then it doesn't matter at all what we do because we're all going into nothingness and nothing we've ever done matters. But If there is a God, then my thoughts and actions affect God, who is eternal.
It is true that kindness and humility and such are possible, but if you don't believe in things eternal, then such things in and of themselves are not necessities. Logically, the only reason a God-rejecting person would have anything to do with morals is to help in their relationships with other people and to keep their consciences from killing them. Even still, if we were to die and enter into nothingness, our relationships with people wouldn't have mattered. Nothing would.
I can go on and on about this, but to really understand, you'd probably have to read Ecclesiastes.
When godless people start to think logically about these sorts of things, they sear their consciences and become like animals.
Interesting side note:
The Satanic philosophy is: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Have I been confusing Satanism with "The Church of Satan?"
Lithanius said:
"As far as following morals because "God said so", I would think that would be doing the right things for the wrong reasons"
The act of doing things because "God said so" does not exclude love. It is simply logical. Do you know why murder, lying, theft, etc is wrong? Because God said so. These things do also affect other people, but every sin is vertical, meaning that every sin is direct rebellion against God. Do you know what the definition of sin is? It's not something simple like "doing bad stuff." Sin defined is: transgression of the law of God.
And so I would ask you this Lithanius. If following morals because God said so is doing the right things for the wrong reasons, then what are the right reasons? What reason could possibly be more important than obedience to and love for God?
Are my morals of value just because they affect other people, or do they have value because they affect God? The Bible says that our love for God should be so strong that it makes our love for others look as hate.
Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Make sure that you don't get the order of these two mixed up.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:41 pm
Quote: I didn't say that people "don't have" morals if they don't follow God. I said that "morals without God don't make any sense." Aside from the consequences of my action, why shouldn't I murder someone if I don't care that I've hurt God in doing so? If there is no God, then it doesn't matter at all what we do because we're all going into nothingness and nothing we've ever done matters. Yep because being jailed, executed, brutally murdered by the loved ones whom you murder makes NO SENSE as to why you should do things. Even if their was NO LAWS if you did somthing that wronged another and got caught, consequences would be payed. That's why we don't murder, steal, and other such things. Laws are made to protect the people. Quote: It is true that kindness and humility and such are possible, but if you don't believe in things eternal, then such things in and of themselves are not necessities. Logically, the only reason a God-rejecting person would have anything to do with morals is to help in their relationships with other people and to keep their consciences from killing them. Exactly, no reason why I should rebuttle this. I an generally a nice guy, or atleast try to be, because I enjoy the company of others. Why would I want to allinate people? I ENJOY having friends, which I make by NOT being a total d**k. Further more I am a nice guy at work. I help people with their jobs that have nothing to do with me, I go the extra mile to serving customers, and showing that I am a responisble, dependable, and likable person? Yes part of it is so I can get a raise and keep my job, but also being in a work enviroment where the co-workers and managers like you sure beats the hell out them then disliking, or even feeling neutral about you. Quote: Even still, if we were to die and enter into nothingness, our relationships with people wouldn't have mattered. Nothing would. ANd thats where I differ, I'm looking at a hear and now, and later in my life. Your reputation will follow you, so it's better to have a good one over a bad one. Quote: When godless people start to think logically about these sorts of things, they sear their consciences and become like animals. How? I think about God, hell I have a mother whom I have regular discussions about God with. Lithanus even asked me once why I decided not to become a Christian, and I was not rude or mean about it. Quote: Have I been confusing Satanism with "The Church of Satan?" Not totally sure as it's been said that their are two kinds of Satanists, one's who worship him and ones that don't worship him. Personally the one's that don't could have chosen a better name, but I guess they picked that one just to piss people off. Quote: And so I would ask you this Lithanius. If following morals because God said so is doing the right things for the wrong reasons, then what are the right reasons? What reason could possibly be more important than obedience to and love for God? Read his posts, he has already said that one should follow your God's Word out of the love for him numerous of times, and yet you took the time to go ahead and chew him out. WTF? Quote: The Bible says that our love for God should be so strong that it makes our love for others look as hate. Wow Which verse says this? Quote: Make sure that you don't get the order of these two mixed up. I'm starting to wonder if you are trying to go out of your way in an attempt to show how 'righteous' you are. Who the hell are you to question what Lithanus thinks, and feels when you don't even know him. I have no clue what you interprit from his posts, as I have seen you on his case more than once, but he is one of the VERY few people that actually made him want to become part of the Christian faith again. I know him IRL, and though I might not be one of his closet friends, I know him better than you. And even me, a person who does not beleive, wouldn't question his faith in his God. So I got to ask again, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY THAT?
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:35 pm
You just said Satan and kindess in the same sentence. Now, that is hilarious.
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