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 Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:25 pm
Well, many or, dare I say, most people who "go goth" do it because of not fitting in and for many the church, whatever that is/was to them, is a group that would not accept them and a big reason as to why they may have felt inadiquate on various levels.
I do not like reading posts on Goth forums that are very negative towards Christianity but I can understand it.
I am surrounded by a very "christian" group, if you get my drift rolleyes , and, for a while did not consider myself Christian as it seemed like any other man-made organization to control others- I believe some churches really are.
It is sad to me to see such misunderstanding but I think the only thing I or any other can do is to show kindness rather than judgement (no person has the right to judge another anyway....), and hope somebody will see Christianity is more than the little church down the street that said people who listen to hard rock and girls who wear pants go to hell, hehe
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:50 am
Queso Solo People are so used to seeing Christians who can't grasp the concept of love as Christ taught it. this. i think that so many people have been used to these predjudiced christians that go arounds saying "God hates _____ and Got hates _____" when in fact, he really doesn't hate anyone. as a christian, i think you're supposed to love and accept everyone-Jesus hung out with and talked to people that the rest of the world was afraid of and hated. I think this problem is more of a bad examples of folleres than the religion itself.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:52 pm
exactly. Satan can even appear to people as an angel of light.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:14 am
The way which atheists can spew hatred and intolerance, while claiming christians are hateful and intolerant would be funny if it weren't so sad. Yes the Church has hurt a lot of people but it's help so many more. People look at the bad to the total exclusion of the good. There is no balance in a mocking heart. The gears of this word strip the faith away early, growing up with no hope beyond self and no purpose beyond the dictates of this spinning blue asylum . If it weren't bad enough, the low ones minions are everywhere spreading a gospel of nihilism, doubt and emptiness. It's hard to have pity for the venomous snake that is spitting and striking at you. But have mercy, Jesus died for such as these, even though they reject him now, and torment us openly. It may be one day they'll open up and let Jesus in. The world hates us, because it hated him first.
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:45 pm
Yeah, I find it disgusting how when you're a goth, everyone assumes you're going to sacrifice their dog in your basement, surrounded by eel skin and candles. My mom hates goth too, because of the association, but she's in denial and won't admit that I'm a goth xD
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:33 pm
Christians have got a bad repuation over the years as being intolerant. Everyone that is not a Christian has this idea that a Christian is this perfect person that wears normal/preppy (sorry...this is what it seems at my school) clothes and is non-tolerant of everyone around them and can't see other's viewpoints. Sad thing is that I've been called non-Christian for my beliefs, though I accept Jesus in my heart. I lived in an area where it was Baptist/most Protestant vs. Catholic/some Protestant (I was one of these churches). They just couldn't get along, and the Methodists didn't get the issue (we sorta of just looked on, and made sure the Catholics didn't get totally bashed).
Not all Atheists/Agnostic/People who just believe in a god, are intolerant. My dad isn't, and he doesn't like the people who do spread hate. I am friends with some Atheists (religion is rare in my area) who are cool with me being Christian but are shocked because I am so tolerant and my mom is a Christian and my Dad is a person who just believes in God and they are still married for over twenty years. My parents are cool with Goth though and aren't afraid of 'devil worshippers'. They think that is a bunch of BS.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:01 pm
I know this is a really old thread, and I'm sorry if there are any rules against resurrecting month old topics, but I felt that I had something to add. I can see how other people outside the Christian faith can view it as harsh and controlling. There are actually some people that are that way, and unfortunately, for some, that is the only side they've seen. The negative side.
Also, on the issue of conformity, when I was reading the other day I found this verse. I can't remember the exact book, but I'm sure some of you may have heard of it. It says something about not to conform to this world but to have our minds renewed in Jesus Christ. I thought that was interesting, because most people seem to think that all Christians are conformists, when really the Bible says not to conform.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:20 pm
Gaylord Mule 3 In general goths find it hard to accept uniformity and herd mentality these things exist more prevelantly in christianity than anywhere else. I just had to laugh when I read this. Please take no offense at my laughter. Its just funny. Not accepting uniformity: as wearing black clothing and dressing in either button shirts and/or band shirts, leather/latex or jean pants and boots or clunky shoes is not uniform. Herd mentality: Every goth I grew up with knew every other goth kid from the High Desert to San Diego, an area bigger than many states in the east and we all knew each other from either concerts, clubs or both. When we would hang out, we "flocked together" like a click. Sorry, every social group, Goth included, herds. Tying ourselves together is not a bad thing, flocking together is instinct as well as having some iuniformity. South park said it best when Kyle(I think it was Kyle) asked the Goth kids what it takes to be Goth and the Goth kids responded that he was supposed to dress like them and listen to their music, to be original.
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:11 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:27 pm
Vasilius Konstantinos Gaylord Mule 3 In general goths find it hard to accept uniformity and herd mentality these things exist more prevelantly in christianity than anywhere else. I just had to laugh when I read this. Please take no offense at my laughter. Its just funny. Not accepting uniformity: as wearing black clothing and dressing in either button shirts and/or band shirts, leather/latex or jean pants and boots or clunky shoes is not uniform. Herd mentality: Every goth I grew up with knew every other goth kid from the High Desert to San Diego, an area bigger than many states in the east and we all knew each other from either concerts, clubs or both. When we would hang out, we "flocked together" like a click. Sorry, every social group, Goth included, herds. Tying ourselves together is not a bad thing, flocking together is instinct as well as having some iuniformity. South park said it best when Kyle(I think it was Kyle) asked the Goth kids what it takes to be Goth and the Goth kids responded that he was supposed to dress like them and listen to their music, to be original. Ouch... but you are so right. I'm an Industrialist. I dress like a Rivet Head. Yet I wear blue jeans sometimes so the Rivets get all pissy at me. I love Goth music so the Industrialists and the Cybers get mad at me. Yet the Goths hate me cause I like (New) Industrial, EMB, TMB and the like... and I look like a Rivethead normal and look like a Cyber when I dress up. I mean really. I love EBM, Terror, Goth Rock and pretty much any music that fits in with the Industrial/cyber/punk or Goth scene... But if I go to a Goth Club dressed like a Rivet Head I'm last to be let in! I mean really. stare
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:53 pm
I agree with what others have said, and I'll add in my own two cents. I think much of the prejudice towards and from Christianity is from corruption in the church, not from the doctrine behind the religion. I have been reading a book on this very subject titled When Bad Christians Happen to Good People by Dave Burchett. I highly recommend it to every one here 3nodding
There are so many church traditions that have no Biblical context, and can ruin interest in Christ's message. So many modern day stories like the case of Matthew Shepard are always thrown blatantly onto the front pages of the media; because extremists are always more entertaining than the Christians who are really doing what they're supposed to, right? In the book I've been reading it says this: the job of a Christian is to 1. Strive to find Christ 2. Love everyone 3. Tell the good news. In that order. If we show love to others with out being pushy about our views... people will begin to be curious about why we are like that. You can worry about evangelism later; when they are actually ready to hear it.
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