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Arcadian

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:02 pm


Hey all.

When the Orphans were released, and subsequently ended up on the Marketplace, I felt a little uncomfortable with Gaia's direction and made a thread in Site Feedback.

Thank you to those who posted in support.

However, I was mightily trashed by a torrent of folks who just didn't understand what I was talking about.

Still, the topic urks me, and the more I thought about it, the more the train kept chugging.

So, in the spirit of quality debate, I wanted to actually make a structured post to take to M&R, expanding on my points.

If you have the time, please look over the second post. This is definately under construction, and I would like some help thickening the body and sharpening the points.

Feel free to leave your thoughts, and/or suggestions to hone the post into something which will get some fun, interesting debate.

Thank you!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:03 pm


Marshall McLuhan wrote about how technology is merely a means to extend our senses into various mediums. Cell phones, email, even telegraphy are examples of expanding our voices over great distances. Web sites like Wikipedia are augmentations to our rote knowledge, fact holding brain-regions. Video games have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to extend emotion onto the virtual plane.

The recent hit, "Portal," was a great example of this. In one level, you (the player-character) drop a cube into an incinerator. Normally, this would have very little impact on people - however, there were many additional factors in the scene which helped eleveate the 'weighted companion cube' to Martyr status on the Internet.

The first of these factors was a heart decal on the cube itself. This simple icon provided a passive message of peace to the player, giving the companion cube far more personality than the other unmarked cubes in the game. Personality is something that people link to intrinsic emotion. Combined with the psycho-heckling of an observing antagonist, many players were slightly distraught by having to destroy the object. Adding even more insult they were then told that they set a record for destroying the companion cube faster than any previous participant.

Note: It's even called a COMPANION cube.

So why is it that so many people are okay with putting virtual orphans up on a marketplace? These are virtual representations of children, which can stand next to a user's own virtual representative avatar. Therefore, they must surely have more personality than a weighted companion cube. Is it the lack of feedback that leaves players unmoved when placing their orphan up for auction? Would they feel bad, if they were somehow chided for making a profit on an orphan? What does that say about people, that they don't feel bad about doing something until it is brought to their attention?

Many people would argue that they would never auction an orphan in real life, so it's okay to be able to do it in a virtual world. Why, though, would they feel that way in real life? Were they educated about the moral implications of treating children as property? If that education was removed, I believe people would register Gaia as promiting the sale of people for profit. At the very least, Gaia would be viewed as impartial to it. This is the crux of the issue - society is relying on previous education of morals to validate their actions, instead of being proactive about it.

I'm curious, now, what most people would consider as 'over the line.' Clearly, ***** was scene as a topic that warrented action, on Gaia's part. Does that mean child merchandising is less 'wrong' than *****? Both submit the victim to psychological trauma...

Arcadian


Arcadian

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:13 pm


I've had a suggestion from Cosette, and I think I want to mention experiments such as those Jane Elliott has done - linking them to the effect that virtual empowerment can have on people, as a reflection of socio-psychological empowerment.

Also, I aim to tie this into the Lucifer Effect.

What do you think?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:32 pm


I haven't looked too much into the issue, but it disturbs me as well. The only defense I can really think of for those that put orphans on the marketplace is that it makes the orphans available to those who have no Gaia Cash.

Katane

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Arcadian

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:15 am


Katane
I haven't looked too much into the issue, but it disturbs me as well. The only defense I can really think of for those that put orphans on the marketplace is that it makes the orphans available to those who have no Gaia Cash.
Still, there are work arounds to that, like making adoption certificates tradable instead.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:27 am


The Milgram Experiment showed that most people in the study will blindly follow an Authority Figure's orders, against their 'better' judgement or conscience.

Is a lack of negative feedback equivalent to an order of continuation?

To clarify - is the lack of Gaia's moral response equal to an insinuated suggestion that it's okay for Gaians to do as they please?

*begins to look through the ToS*

Arcadian


Cassidy Peterson

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:33 pm


I made a thread once demanding the right to sell babies when too many "babies for our avatars/pregnant avis" threads showed up. ninja

How does the adoption certificate thing work anyways? Do you get to choose your orphan, or is it random? Because I know like hell that I hated some of the orphans during the Xmas event.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:13 pm


Cassidy Peterson
I made a thread once demanding the right to sell babies when too many "babies for our avatars/pregnant avis" threads showed up. ninja

How does the adoption certificate thing work anyways? Do you get to choose your orphan, or is it random? Because I know like hell that I hated some of the orphans during the Xmas event.
When you bought it in the cash shop, it was random which orphan you received.

Arcadian


Henry Dorsett Case

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:34 am


Arcadian
When you bought it in the cash shop, it was random which orphan you received.
Then shouldn't we first be dealing with Gaia's relegating of the virtual "adoption" process to little more than a poorly-planned shell game? They create the environment, marketplace or no, in which the "Orphan" is considered an object, being the random "prize" for use of the special token. From there, if we take away the charged language of calling the token an "adoption certificate", thus no longer implying that the token is an acceptance of the adoption process, we get a different picture, in which each Gaian who puts an Orphan up on the marketplace isn't necessarily "buying" or "selling" a child, but acting as their own, independent adoption agency.

Just my two cents.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:19 pm


Henry Dorsett Case
Just my two cents.
And I agree, I don't think that's quite right, either. If I understand you right, at least. For some reason, my brain isn't able to process what it is you mean exactly for me to do...

Arcadian

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