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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:25 pm
King Seth natures swiftness The Mule Of Max All the people saying "LOL I CAN'T TANK ILLIDAN IN S3" are missing the point. but its equevalennt!!?!! MAH DEE PEE ESS GEARZ ARE TANKING Yo MOMMA but my mom is t9 equivzzz, she goes schwff around the corner and kills all your healers and tanks at once, and then methodically owns your deeps. lawl lawl lawl lawl
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:09 pm
Mr. Graves Kiloran Mr. Graves The best BBQQ I had in California is at Armadillo Willy's. True story. Edit: On reading this article, I see what the poster was trying to argue. Saying that "epics aren't quite as epic anymore" with a long winded, drawn out post. The point of view that epics, or at least quality gear should not be given to someone who enjoys another aspect of the game (in the case PvP) is just so flawed that I cannot even begin to comprehend his argument. Granted, he makes a few good points about people farming AVs for honor and such, but why should the people who actually go out there and enjoy themselves PvPing in BGs for gear be punished? Honestly, world PvP ain't what it used to be. It's fun as all hell, but you can't get the amount of honor to get gear worth a damn. The point is that the PvP gear is there for those people who want to PvP at a "higher level" (I say this only because the said person who stood around in AV and hit the space bar to get the honor to purchase the gear will probably still lose to someone in PvE blues). His logic is very flawed in the respect that this PvP gear will guarantee a player a spot in a raid. Far from it. While Gladiator gear is good for PvP it is significantly lacking sustained DPS for long encounters. I'm probably kicking a dead horse here, I'm pretty sure everyone reading this already knows what the hell I'm talking about. if they do, they didn't seem to say so. it's not that getting gear for other aspects of the game is bad, it's that you don't really have to earn it anymore. if you are patient with your 15$ a month and have ONE friend who is willing to log on for an hour a week with you, you can get excellent, excellent epic gear. if they implemented a system where you actually earned your gear while pvping, he would have been completely fine with it. but he is right that throwing free gear at pvpers and adding miniature battlegrounds doesn't make pvp more interesting; possibly more mundane, although you feel accomplished because when you were playing before BC, only the elite could get the gear you have. As far as the being patient part goes the same could be said for raiding. Getting entry level Kara epics is just as easy as getting Gladiator gear from AV farming, and it would definitely take a lot less times to get decked out. Glad's Crossbow for 37k honor or Steelhawk Crossbow which has a fairly decent drop rate from Attunement? Hmmmm... but can you coordinate 10/25 players into doing the right things to kill bosses (entry-level kara is not the equivalent to s1 as it's between dungeon 3 and tier 4) while watching tv spamming the space bar? it's about not only work but difficulty. you can work for as long as you want but patience alone will not get you through black temple. it does, however, get you the equivalent in pvp gear.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:12 am
Kiloran Mr. Graves Kiloran Mr. Graves The best BBQQ I had in California is at Armadillo Willy's. True story. Edit: On reading this article, I see what the poster was trying to argue. Saying that "epics aren't quite as epic anymore" with a long winded, drawn out post. The point of view that epics, or at least quality gear should not be given to someone who enjoys another aspect of the game (in the case PvP) is just so flawed that I cannot even begin to comprehend his argument. Granted, he makes a few good points about people farming AVs for honor and such, but why should the people who actually go out there and enjoy themselves PvPing in BGs for gear be punished? Honestly, world PvP ain't what it used to be. It's fun as all hell, but you can't get the amount of honor to get gear worth a damn. The point is that the PvP gear is there for those people who want to PvP at a "higher level" (I say this only because the said person who stood around in AV and hit the space bar to get the honor to purchase the gear will probably still lose to someone in PvE blues). His logic is very flawed in the respect that this PvP gear will guarantee a player a spot in a raid. Far from it. While Gladiator gear is good for PvP it is significantly lacking sustained DPS for long encounters. I'm probably kicking a dead horse here, I'm pretty sure everyone reading this already knows what the hell I'm talking about. if they do, they didn't seem to say so. it's not that getting gear for other aspects of the game is bad, it's that you don't really have to earn it anymore. if you are patient with your 15$ a month and have ONE friend who is willing to log on for an hour a week with you, you can get excellent, excellent epic gear. if they implemented a system where you actually earned your gear while pvping, he would have been completely fine with it. but he is right that throwing free gear at pvpers and adding miniature battlegrounds doesn't make pvp more interesting; possibly more mundane, although you feel accomplished because when you were playing before BC, only the elite could get the gear you have. As far as the being patient part goes the same could be said for raiding. Getting entry level Kara epics is just as easy as getting Gladiator gear from AV farming, and it would definitely take a lot less times to get decked out. Glad's Crossbow for 37k honor or Steelhawk Crossbow which has a fairly decent drop rate from Attunement? Hmmmm... but can you coordinate 10/25 players into doing the right things to kill bosses (entry-level kara is not the equivalent to s1 as it's between dungeon 3 and tier 4) while watching tv spamming the space bar? it's about not only work but difficulty. you can work for as long as you want but patience alone will not get you through black temple. it does, however, get you the equivalent in pvp gear. There is no equivalent PvE gear for PvP gear or vice a versa. Sure they're at what's considered the same "tier" of goodness for their respective uses, but trying to PvP in PvE gear will get you smashed and you will be decisively lacking in sustained DPS/Healing Ability with the PvP "equivalent". Breaking into arenas right now is difficult, as starting out you have the daunting task of grinding out entry level Gladiator/Veteran gear then having to upgrade from there. You can't just get plugged in with PvE gear, as anyone with similar or even worse PvP gear will destroy you on any given theorycraft match.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:00 am
Mr. Graves Kiloran Mr. Graves The best BBQQ I had in California is at Armadillo Willy's. True story. Edit: On reading this article, I see what the poster was trying to argue. Saying that "epics aren't quite as epic anymore" with a long winded, drawn out post. The point of view that epics, or at least quality gear should not be given to someone who enjoys another aspect of the game (in the case PvP) is just so flawed that I cannot even begin to comprehend his argument. Granted, he makes a few good points about people farming AVs for honor and such, but why should the people who actually go out there and enjoy themselves PvPing in BGs for gear be punished? Honestly, world PvP ain't what it used to be. It's fun as all hell, but you can't get the amount of honor to get gear worth a damn. The point is that the PvP gear is there for those people who want to PvP at a "higher level" (I say this only because the said person who stood around in AV and hit the space bar to get the honor to purchase the gear will probably still lose to someone in PvE blues). His logic is very flawed in the respect that this PvP gear will guarantee a player a spot in a raid. Far from it. While Gladiator gear is good for PvP it is significantly lacking sustained DPS for long encounters. I'm probably kicking a dead horse here, I'm pretty sure everyone reading this already knows what the hell I'm talking about. if they do, they didn't seem to say so. it's not that getting gear for other aspects of the game is bad, it's that you don't really have to earn it anymore. if you are patient with your 15$ a month and have ONE friend who is willing to log on for an hour a week with you, you can get excellent, excellent epic gear. if they implemented a system where you actually earned your gear while pvping, he would have been completely fine with it. but he is right that throwing free gear at pvpers and adding miniature battlegrounds doesn't make pvp more interesting; possibly more mundane, although you feel accomplished because when you were playing before BC, only the elite could get the gear you have. As far as the being patient part goes the same could be said for raiding. Getting entry level Kara epics is just as easy as getting Gladiator gear from AV farming, and it would definitely take a lot less times to get decked out. Glad's Crossbow for 37k honor or Steelhawk Crossbow which has a fairly decent drop rate from Attunement? Hmmmm... my hunter friend has been living in kara for the past several months. when i was just getting my second 70 attuned, i'd been running kara with him for at least a month. he STILL hasn't gotten the crossbow. he's starting to cry.....
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:01 am
He has two points, the first being that PvP gear is far to easy to get, which may be true, but I don't think so since I've never been able to get even one piece of PvP gear.
The second being that removing attunements and providing badge loot is ruining the game and I think that is a load of crap, even though I've never had an epic from any sourse in all my long years of playing. (well okay, there was that ring before TBC came out)
I mean, for starters, is he really saying that it is unfair to HIM that players who are unable to raid can maybe spend the rest of 2008 farming heroics and Karazhan for comparable gear? Somehow, farming several hundred badges seems like quite a bit MORE of a pain in the a** than working your way up through the raids.
What's more, his precious raids drop the badges too so if the epics are so "casual friendly" the raiders would still be the first to get them.
As for removing attunements, I have yet to hear any arguments that were more than bitter rantings. Removing attunements is ENTIRELY A GOOD THING IMO. Despite the fact that I've spent the past 10 months trying to get attuned to Kara, I would be happy if the attunement was removed. Even though I'll probably never see the inside of Kara, let alone a 25, either way.
Personally, I'd love to see these alleged "welfare epics" If epics are being given away, someone point me to them, because I've yet to find an avenue through which I can actually get any gear.
You know the only reason I even want better gear? So I could potentially experience the raids. If I managed to get fully geared in the best stuff available without ever setting foot in a raid, I'd still be trying to get into those raids.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:26 pm
Mr. Graves Kiloran Mr. Graves Kiloran Mr. Graves The best BBQQ I had in California is at Armadillo Willy's. True story. Edit: On reading this article, I see what the poster was trying to argue. Saying that "epics aren't quite as epic anymore" with a long winded, drawn out post. The point of view that epics, or at least quality gear should not be given to someone who enjoys another aspect of the game (in the case PvP) is just so flawed that I cannot even begin to comprehend his argument. Granted, he makes a few good points about people farming AVs for honor and such, but why should the people who actually go out there and enjoy themselves PvPing in BGs for gear be punished? Honestly, world PvP ain't what it used to be. It's fun as all hell, but you can't get the amount of honor to get gear worth a damn. The point is that the PvP gear is there for those people who want to PvP at a "higher level" (I say this only because the said person who stood around in AV and hit the space bar to get the honor to purchase the gear will probably still lose to someone in PvE blues). His logic is very flawed in the respect that this PvP gear will guarantee a player a spot in a raid. Far from it. While Gladiator gear is good for PvP it is significantly lacking sustained DPS for long encounters. I'm probably kicking a dead horse here, I'm pretty sure everyone reading this already knows what the hell I'm talking about. if they do, they didn't seem to say so. it's not that getting gear for other aspects of the game is bad, it's that you don't really have to earn it anymore. if you are patient with your 15$ a month and have ONE friend who is willing to log on for an hour a week with you, you can get excellent, excellent epic gear. if they implemented a system where you actually earned your gear while pvping, he would have been completely fine with it. but he is right that throwing free gear at pvpers and adding miniature battlegrounds doesn't make pvp more interesting; possibly more mundane, although you feel accomplished because when you were playing before BC, only the elite could get the gear you have. As far as the being patient part goes the same could be said for raiding. Getting entry level Kara epics is just as easy as getting Gladiator gear from AV farming, and it would definitely take a lot less times to get decked out. Glad's Crossbow for 37k honor or Steelhawk Crossbow which has a fairly decent drop rate from Attunement? Hmmmm... but can you coordinate 10/25 players into doing the right things to kill bosses (entry-level kara is not the equivalent to s1 as it's between dungeon 3 and tier 4) while watching tv spamming the space bar? it's about not only work but difficulty. you can work for as long as you want but patience alone will not get you through black temple. it does, however, get you the equivalent in pvp gear. There is no equivalent PvE gear for PvP gear or vice a versa. Sure they're at what's considered the same "tier" of goodness for their respective uses, but trying to PvP in PvE gear will get you smashed and you will be decisively lacking in sustained DPS/Healing Ability with the PvP "equivalent". Breaking into arenas right now is difficult, as starting out you have the daunting task of grinding out entry level Gladiator/Veteran gear then having to upgrade from there. You can't just get plugged in with PvE gear, as anyone with similar or even worse PvP gear will destroy you on any given theorycraft match. what i meant by equivalent is that tier 6 is as useful in raids as season 3 is for pvp. although, while you still aren't geared so hot for raiding, you're a step up from greens and blues with pvp gear. even though they're not always the most efficient stats, there's about the same number of them on pvp gear, and it does help with raiding (obviously not as much as gear designed for raiding is), just like raiding gear helps with pvp. i never said the two worlds of raiding and pvp were easily switched between, either. i said that it's much easier (in fact, it's a brainless task as long as you can log on an hour a week with a friend) to get pvp gear than it is to get raiding gear. you don't even have to win matches to get the gear.
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