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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:19 pm
K, so we know that Iroh has been to the spirit world (Zhou says it in episode 1.19 or something) and we know Iroh can see sprits(sees Aang flying on Roku's dragon in Solstice part one and sees the moon spirit in Yue) so obviously we will learn more about this in season three. Also in the boy in the iceberg when the light shoots up from the air where Aang cracked the berg and Zuko's all "it must be the avatar" Iroh says it's the Southern lights, but he can see spirits. So did he know stare ? We know he's on the avatar's side, so did he lie just so he woundn't be found? Or did the creators just not think that far ahead? Oh well. Anyway my point is why and how did he go to the spirit world? Zhou says Iroh fears the spirits so that might mean that the journey was bad. Also when they're on the train in Ba Sing Se Iroh says he was in Ba Sing Se when he was 'a different man.' So lets assume Iroh was bad back then. He was heir to the throne, corageous, strong and confident. He was breaking through the wall and winning. Let's say the spirits didn't like that and thought it would throw life out of balance or something. Lets say they wanted to do something to stop him. When Avatar Kuruk went bad, Koh punished him by stealing his wife, what if the spirits stole (or killed) Iroh's son? Maybe Iroh went to the spirit world to get him back. Maybe the spirits (like Roku) spoke some sense into him and that's why he changed.
Phew, well that's my great plot theory, what do you think about it, plausible? I'd like your theories as well.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:08 pm
By "fear" the spirits he means it as an insult because Iroh is cautious, and views the spirits with a respect that Zhao did not have. He doesn't mean that Iroh literally is scared of spirits.
It's not likely that Iroh went there to find his son, and even before his son died we see that he had an unwavering respect for those things mythical in the world; i.e saving the last of the dragons.
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[Hollow Point] Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:05 pm
Agreeing with above post ^_^
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:15 pm
Kami_Blood_Red Agreeing with above post ^_^ _-*Ditto*-_
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[Hollow Point] Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:53 am
Also, Kuruk didn't go "bad", if memory serves Koh stole his wife's face which pissed him off so he went there and attempted to kill Koh.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:15 pm
[Hollow Point] Also, Kuruk didn't go "bad", if memory serves Koh stole his wife's face which pissed him off so he went there and attempted to kill Koh. But Koh stole his wife because he did somethings wrong (can't remember what at the moment sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:36 pm
!!!313 Spoilers!!! The Reason that I think that Iroh could see the spirit dragon, is because he was the one to defeat him remember? That would be a good reason for him having at least some sort of connection with it.End Spoilers.
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:30 pm
Silent Longshot !!!313 Spoilers!!! The Reason that I think that Iroh could see the spirit dragon, is because he was the one to defeat him remember? That would be a good reason for him having at least some sort of connection with it.End Spoilers. Iroh was born 2 generations after Avatar Roku and Fang died. Iroh did not kill a dragon as was evidenced in the newest episode The Firebending Masters, the dragon he saw was Avatar Roku's dragon, Iroh was born several years after Roku and his dragon died so it would have been a physical impossibility for Iroh to have killed Fang. Not only that but we know that Iroh took a trip to the spirit world which gifted him the ability to see spirits. Though the exact details of his trip have not yet been told. This is the reason he could see Fang and Aang. Not because he "killed the dragon". Magigal [Hollow Point] Also, Kuruk didn't go "bad", if memory serves Koh stole his wife's face which pissed him off so he went there and attempted to kill Koh. But Koh stole his wife because he did somethings wrong (can't remember what at the moment sweatdrop Actually no. Did you even play the game? The whole reason Koh is angry at the avatar is because Kuruk tried to kill him after he had stolen Kuruk's wife's face.
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[Hollow Point] Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:55 pm
[Hollow Point] Silent Longshot !!!313 Spoilers!!! The Reason that I think that Iroh could see the spirit dragon, is because he was the one to defeat him remember? That would be a good reason for him having at least some sort of connection with it.End Spoilers. Iroh was born 2 generations after Avatar Roku and Fang died. Iroh did not kill a dragon as was evidenced in the newest episode The Firebending Masters, the dragon he saw was Avatar Roku's dragon, Iroh was born several years after Roku and his dragon died so it would have been a physical impossibility for Iroh to have killed Fang. Not only that but we know that Iroh took a trip to the spirit world which gifted him the ability to see spirits. Though the exact details of his trip have not yet been told. This is the reason he could see Fang and Aang. Not because he "killed the dragon". Magigal [Hollow Point] Also, Kuruk didn't go "bad", if memory serves Koh stole his wife's face which pissed him off so he went there and attempted to kill Koh. But Koh stole his wife because he did somethings wrong (can't remember what at the moment sweatdrop Actually no. Did you even play the game? The whole reason Koh is angry at the avatar is because Kuruk tried to kill him after he had stolen Kuruk's wife's face. First of all Iroh said that when he was first in Ba Seng Se he was a 'different man,' he also made it sound like he regretted being that other man. I just think thathe might have done something he regretted and that the spirits didn't like. Secondly yeah I played the game and you might want to watch this part again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvQymfC2HIMspecificaly at 2:25. Avatar Kuruk says "Koh took her to punish me for my past mistakes." These mistakes were being boastful and challenging everyone to impress people. This indicates that spirits do puish people for mistakes they make. I thought that the spirits might have taken Lu ten. I think that if his son was taken Iroh would try to save him because he really loved his son. If you don't like my theory I also asked that people share their own, so go ahead.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:29 pm
Ah, excuse me. My mistake. I wish you could play the game again, I need to refresh my memory.
I still don't think that he was pulled into the spirit world, I mean Ummi was taken from Kuruk when she was next to the spirit oasis, Lu Ten was in Ba Sing Se when he was killed. As in he was killed in the real world.
Again, you're reading too far into what Iroh said. Lu Ten was already killed when Iroh had broken through the wall; he was different because his son was taken from him. The blow from losing a son is a powerful one, a strong enough blow to break a great general as Iroh was. He may have gone to the spirit world, but I don't see how he could. I mean Aang went to the spirit world because he has a connection, he is the bridge, and Sokka went because he was literally taken to the spirit world. I don't see how Iroh could have gone to the spirit world at all.
Koh is a vindictive spirit, an evil one if you will, but there are no other spirit that we have seen like him. Besides, what spirit would it that would take him while he was in Ba Sing Se?
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:37 am
***MILD SPOILER*** (Episode 314)
If anybody watched that episode, they said Iroh was the preserver of the last remaining dragons or whatever. Maybe they sent him a vision of some sort and he got spirit world connection and all that good stuff? :B
OR maybe all of the sun solistice peoples have spirit world connections?
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:42 am
Waterbending-Otaku ***MILD SPOILER*** (Episode 314) If anybody watched that episode, they said Iroh was the preserver of the last remaining dragons or whatever. Maybe they sent him a vision of some sort and he got spirit world connection and all that good stuff? :B OR maybe all of the sun solistice peoples have spirit world connections? Brother, all they said was that he preserved the dragons, not that they sent him mad spirit world powah.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:00 pm
But they might've kept that part secret, seeing they're intruders and what not?
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:12 pm
F r i e n d l yMushroom! But they might've kept that part secret, seeing they're intruders and what not? No. You're point is void, brother. They never said anywhere in any of the episodes any kind of clue as to what his spirit world adventure was. It's doubtful that the dragons even have that kind of power, or else the Bisons, and Badger Moles would also have that power and we would have known of it earlier.
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